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Mary MacDonald born the last quarter of 1874 or the first quarter of 1875.
On one census record she says her place of birth was Kincardinshire and on the second she said her place of birth was Aberdeen.

If anyone could could gain access to these two particular quarters, I would be eternally grateful. I have been trying to find her since 2001. I have searched as best I can through Scotlandspeople but there are so many Mary MacDonalds that I can't afford to search all of them. If I could get the Mary MacDonalds in just these two quarters I feel I would be getting somewhere.

Many thanks for reading this and desperately hope someone can help me.

Julie

What exactly do you know about her Julie? Do you have any certificates for her? What about definite census records?

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Mary Ann Mcdonald
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 10 Apr 1874 — MARYKIRK,KINCARDINE,SCOTLAND
christening:
baptism:
death:
burial:
residence: 1874 — Kinc, Scotland
parents: John Mcdonald, Margaret Jewers
spouse:
child:
marriage:

record title: Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
name: Mary Ann Mcdonald
gender: Female
birth date: 10 Apr 1874
birthplace: MARYKIRK,KINCARDINE,SCOTLAND
father's name: John Mcdonald
mother's name: Margaret Jewers
indexing project (batch) number: C11265-3
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516

any other information on her? marriage, children, parents?

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name: Mary Simpson MCDONALD
gender: Female
birth: 1875 Oct 2
, Peterculter, Aberdeenshire, Scotland
death: 1876 Jan 10

AFN: G24G-XR

Parents
father: Charles MCDONALD (AFN: G24G-VF )
mother: Barbara SIMPSON (AFN: G24G-WL )

Don't the marriage certs for Scotlands show the parents names including the mmn . ?

message from Julie



Thank you so much for writing to me. I really do appreciate it.

I have seen the Mary Ann McDonald of Marykirk but the father is wrong.

Also, thanks for Mary Simpson McDonald who died in 1875. My grandmother died in 1935.

Here is all the information I have on my grandmother:

In the 1901 census she appears as a cook age 26 at 274 Oxford Street, Marylebone, London. Where it gives place of birth I have struggled with the hand writing. It either reads Kincardins, Scotland or Kincardine, Scotland.

In the same year, she married on 18 November still 26 years of age and I obtained the wedding certificate.

Mariage details are -
Name: Mary Ann MacDonald
Address: (still at) 274 Oxford Street, Loondon
Father's name: Robert MacDonald (deceased)
Occupation: Civil Engineer.

The wedding took place at Marylebone Register Office, London.

I also have her details in the 1911 census.
Married name: Sullivan
Full name: Marie Sullivan
Address: 35 Rectory Lane, Tooting, London
Age: 36
Place of birth: Aberdeen, Scotland

Death certificate details:
Name: Marie Sullivan
Date of death: 1 April 1935
Place: Heywood, Lancashire, England
Age: 61

I searched her father, thinking that a civil engineer would be quite an unusual job in those days so it would be quite easy but the only Robert McDonald I could find was in the 1871 Scotland census in Thurso, Caithness. Unfortunately, I cannot find him in any other census records after that. Also, he is listed as Mc instead of Mac but that doesn;t matter. It could still be him.

This is all I have on Mary MacDonald. I know from my mother that she was known as Marie, hence the slight change of Christian name after she married.

With having her age in the 1901 census as 26 and a definite age of 26 in November the same year on her wedding certificate, I have narrowed her birth date down to the last quarter of 1874 and the first quarter of 1875. I could be wrong here but it looks like a safe bet.

Julie

Have you ruled this one out? Kincardine is in Fife. Her father's name is Robert and he is a labourer - "civil engineer" often being used as it sounds *posher*.

32 1874 MCDONALD MARY ANN F KINGHORN /FIFE 439/00 0039


Mary

There is this Mary Ann McDonald

MARY ANN MCDONALD

Event(s):
Birth:
02 OCT 1873 Nigg, Kincardine, Scotland


Parents:
Father: ROBERT MCDONALD
Mother: JANE KEMP

Liz,

If memory serves me correctly, that Robert is a farm servant. Although nothing to say he didn't change occupations, so could well be him. :-))

Mary

Ok thanks Mary :-)

Liz

Scottish births are registered by year only and not divided into quarters.

Marykirk is a small village in Aberdeenshire, Scotland next to the border with the county of Angus at the River North Esk.

1901

Name: Mary Macdonald
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Marykirk, Kincardineshire, Scotland

Civil parish: Kensington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: Cook

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Brompton
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 67
Piece: 35
Folio: 11
Page Number: 14

Kincardine (Gaelic: Cinn Chàrdainn) or Kincardine-on-Forth is a small town located on the north shore of the Firth of Forth, in Fife, Scotland.

Kincardine (Scottish Gaelic: Cinn Chàrdainn) is a small hamlet on the west end of the south shore of the Dornoch Firth in the Scottish Highlands and is in the Scottish council area of Highland.

Kincardine O'Neil in the County of Aberdeenshire in the North-East of Scotland is a small historic village situated on the A93 beside the River Dee, between the larger settlements of Banchory and Aboyne and 25 miles west of the city of Aberdeen.


The County of Kincardine, also known as Kincardineshire or The Mearns (from A' Mhaoirne meaning 'The Stewartry') was a local government county on the coast of northeast Scotland. It was bounded by Aberdeenshire on the north and west, and by Angus on the south

Hi there

"civil engineer often being used for labourer as it sounds posher". That is very interesting indeed. I have looked at all the ones you mention and have dismissed them because of the father's occupation. I will go back over them with this in mind.

I have to look in the area of Aberdeen as that's where she says her birth place was in the 1911 census. The 1901 census is unclear as it states birth place Kincardin(s) or Kincardin(e). Not knowing my Scottish geography, is part of Aberdeen in Kincardineshire and part in Aberdeenshire?

Please persevere with me. I am sure, with your help, I will find my Mary MacDonald in the end.

Cheers and thanks
Julie

Could this be Robert McDonald ... occupation: Civil Engineer. Living in Thurso, Caithness.



Piece: SCT1871/41 Place: Thurso -Caithness Enumeration District: 5
Civil Parish: Thurso Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Thurso
Folio: 0 Page: 5 Schedule: 26
Address: Durness Street

Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
MCDONALD William Head W M 61 Merchant Drapery & Grocer Sutherland - Reay
MCDONALD Albert Son U M 31 Draper Caithness - Thurso
MCDONALD Robert Son U M 29 Civil Engineer Caithness - Thurso
MCDONALD Isabella Daur U F 27 - Caithness - Thurso
MCDONALD George Son U M 17 Student (Orig: Scholar) Caithness - Thurso
MCDONALD Donald Son U M 23 Draper Caithness - Thurso
MCDONALD Wm Son U M 15 Scholar Caithness - Thurso
MCDONALD Christina Daur - F 11 Scholar Caithness - Thurso
MCKAY Henrietta Servnt U F 34 Cook Sutherland - Armdale
MCKAY Angusina Servnt U F 27 Housemaid Sutherland - Armdale
MACKAY George Servnt U M 19 Shopman Sutherland - Dyke
HORN William Servnt U M 19 Shopman Caithness - Thurso Geiselittle

for ref

1901 England Census
about Mary A Mac Donald Name: Mary A Mac Donald
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Kincardine, Scotland

Civil parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: All Souls
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: - 274 Oxford Street

Occupation: - Cook

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: St Marylebone
Sub-registration district: All Souls
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 12
Piece: 105
Folio: 74
Page Number: 6
Household Members: Name Age
James L Sampson 58
Marion Sampson 49
Isabel Stanyard 29
Mary A Mac Donald 26


born in Kincardins - looks to me like enumerator ran out of space or energy for the ...hire


Vera

Helen, That is the only Robert McDonald, civil engineer, Thurso, Caithness, I could find. I thought I had hit the jackpot at the time but I had to let him go because I couldn't find him in any later census records which included Scotland, England and Wales. I hope someone could prove me wrong in this.


Vera, Yes you have found her. This, and the marriage certificate in 1901 that gives the same address and age at 274 Oxford Street, London are the only two things I have on her. Thanks for clearing up the problem with place of birth. I wasn't sure but I felt it was an 's' on the end of Kincardin and not an 'e'.

On the English 1901 census taken in March Mary MacDonald was 26. In the same year she married on 18 November and she was still 26 on her wedding certificate. Am I right in narrowing her birth date down to Oct/Nov/Dec of 1874 and Jan/Feb/March of 1875?

rootgatherer. I can rule out Mary MacDonald in Marykirk, Kincardineshire in the Scottish 1901 census as I found her in the English 1901 census.
Thanks for the information on all the Kincardine locations in Scotland. I have printed this out for reference.

Contrary Mary. b1874 Mary Ann McDonald Kinghorn/Fife. I have got this in my file. I looked at it in the very early years of my research. She states two places of birth: English 1901 as Kincardineshire and Aberdeen on the English 1911 so I maybe have to rule it out. Tantalising, though, that her father is named Robert. Also what's likeable is that after she married she and her husband went to nearby Grangemouth where they had their first three children. My own mother was born in Grangemouth.

Can't believe all the help everybody is giving me.

Julie

Back again Julie. This is a difficult one. Going by the 1871 for the possible Robert, I wondered if this might be him a bit earlier. I'm trying to find out what happened to him. This one's mother is Margaret Gunn, don't suppose Gunn is a recurring name in your family??


1861 Scotland Census
about Robert MacDonats
Name: Robert MacDonats
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relationship: L;C
Gender: Male
Where born: Thurse, Caithness
Registration Number: 685/1
Registration district: St George
Civil parish: Edinburgh St George
COUNTY: Midlothian
Address: (3 Flat)
Occupation: Civil Engineer's App
ED: 52
Household schedule number: 4
Line: 10
Roll: CSSCT1861_124
Household Members:
Name Age
Caroline Henderson 42
Walter Henderson 17
Alexander MacDonats 30
Robert MacDonats 18
Buckham H Hossack 25


1851 Scotland Census
about Robert Macdonad
Name: Robert Macdonad
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relationship: Son
Father's name: William Macdonald
Mother's name: Margaret Macdonad
Gender: Male
Where born: Thurso, Caithness
Parish Number: 41
Civil parish: Thurso
Town: Thurso
COUNTY: Caithness
Address: Cowgate Lane
Occupation: Scholar At Home
ED: 14
Page: 14 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 66
Line: 4
Roll: CSSCT1851_9
Household Members:
Name Age
William Macdonald 41 Reay, Caithness, Occupation: Clothiers
Margaret Macdonad 31
Albert Macdonad 11
Robert Macdonad 9
Isobella Macdonad 7
Donald Macdonad 4
Christina Macdonad 1
James Fenlayson 21
James Ross 19
Ann Maclead 19


This man does not want to be found!! Have even checked deaths in Scotland but without looking at certificates, nothing really matches.

Nigg is the northernmost coastal parish in the county of Kincardine.
Certainly the northern part of this parish (Torry, but maybe more) is in the burgh of Aberdeen.

Hi alviegal
I think it must be the same Robert MacDonald in the 1861 census you have found; it's too close for it not to be. The name Margaret Dunn doesn't ring any bells with me.

This is a long shot but I suppose anything is possible. There is a Mary MacDonald born in Thurso, Caithness on 20 November l874 which fits in with her birthday being between November 1874 and March l875. Her father is a Donald MacDonald, occupation quarry labourer. Robert has a brother called Donald too but he is a draper. Probably nothing but it's a bit of a coincidence.

I am not ruling out that Mary MacDonald may have been brought up by someone other than her parents because one of her daughters, my aunty, said that there was something strange about her mother's background. She said that she thought her mother had been brought up by a Simpson family.

Again, I have had a look for this one too but no luck. There is the name Simpson in her family, an uncle I think they said he was. I have an old photograph of a gentleman who signed his name on the front as Jac Simpson. This photograph belonged to Mary MacDonald.

I haven't mentioned this before because, if it is true, it would make things even more complicated. All the same, it is funny that she would come up with something like that.

I have also looked for Robert MacDonald's death in Scotland, England and Wales but I could have missed it. As a Civil Engineer, maybe he went abroad to work.

I got some, I don't know if all, the births for Mary MacDonald in 1874 from FamilySearch the other night. The records abruptly stop at the end of 1874 - nothing for 1875. This is how I got hold of Mary MacDonald, born Thurso, Caithness 20 Nov. l874.

Thanks for sticking with me.

Julie