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Hi there,

I am looking to extend one of my branches of my tree that seems to have become a little stuck.

My ancestors James Lever (c. 1822-bet 1881-1891) and Hannah 'Ann' Monkhouse (c. 1822-1901) were married in Bolton in 1845.

I am trying to find James Lever in the 1841 census and see if I can find his family back over.

James' year of birth ranges from about 1817-1822, and the census confirms his place of birth as Bolton in Lancashire. From his marriage in 1845 I know his father was William Lever.

So, not a lot to go on but can he be found in 1841.

With this, there are two different James Lever's born in Bolton in and about 1817-1822, with a father named William, but DIFFERENT mothers. I am hoping a find in 1841 will help confirm which one is mine.

Thank you,

Peter

Occupation of father from the marriage cert would help

1841 England Census
about James Siver Name: James Siver
[James Lever]
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Gender: Male
Where born:
Lancashire,
England
Civil parish: Preston
Hundred: Amounderness
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Registration district: Preston
Sub-registration district: Preston
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Willm Siver 40 >>>>>>>>>>lever
Jane Siver 40 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>lever
James Siver 15 >>>>>>>>>>>lever
Thomas Siver 13 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>lever
Jane Siver 4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>lever

for ref

is this your James?

Marriage: 14 Sep 1845 St Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England
James Lever - (X), Full Chymist Bachelor of Great Bolton
Hannah Monkhouse - (X), Full Spinster of Little Bolton
Groom's Father: William Lever, Weaver
Bride's Father: Michael Monkhouse, Joiner
Witness: Joseph Lever, (X); James Liptrot
Married by Banns by: Thos. Loxham Curate
Register: Marriages 1845 - 1846, Page 77, Entry 154
Source: Microfilm of register at Manchester Library

don't have access to view image for the occupation but is this a possible?

James Proctor 60
Ann Proctor 55
Alice Proctor 25
James Lever 20
James Proctor 20
Elizabeth Atherton 15
Stephen Proctor 10
Ann Proctor 3
James Proctor 2

Lancashire Ann's 1841 group

1841 Census

Name: James Lever
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Bolton Le Moors
Hundred: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Great Bolton West

James Proctor 60 Ingineer (sic)
Ann Proctor 55
Alice Proctor 25
James Lever 20 Crofter
James Proctor 20 Crofter
Elizabeth Atherton 15
Stephen Proctor 10
Ann Proctor 3
James Proctor 2

Address:- Mechanics Street


rather interesting the way James Lever is entered between two Proctors


I wonder if that indicates he was a son of Ann, and that she is a second wife to James Proctor?



sylvia

this is on the beta.familysearch site, albeit a few years earlier than you said


record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

name: James Lever
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 14 May 1815
baptism/christening place: Bolton-le-Moors, Lancashire, England
father's name: William Lever
mother's name: Ann
indexing project (batch) number: C01962-8
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1966399





sylvia

Hi everyone and thank you for this help ... yes the 1845 marriage is them, and sorry yes, James' father was a 'Weaver'. Thank you Evie and LanashireAnn and Sylvia!

Now, I am not sure what these results indicate, but it is looking interesting. Sylvia the baptism in 1815 could be correct, but so could the James Lever born 1820:

Name: James Lever
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 10 Nov 1820
Baptism/Christening Place: St. Peter's, Bolton-le-Moors, Lancashire, England
Father's Name: William Lever
Mother's Name: Mary Lever
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C03231-9
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 559177
Reference Number: yrs 1820-1821 p 73

Is there a way I can confirm whose is who? I would not like to search the wrong line ... thank you your help already. Is there a way to confirm?

James Lever
England and Wales Census, 1881
birth: 1821 — Bolton, Lancashire, England
christening:
baptism:
death:
burial:
residence: 1881 — Runcorn, Cheshire, England
parents:
spouse:
child: William Lever
marriage:

record title: England and Wales Census, 1881
name: James Lever
age: 60
gender: Male
birth year: 1821
birthplace: Bolton, Lancashire, England
relationship to head of household: Father To Head
marital condition: Married
profession / occupation: Waterman
address: 6 Queen St
census place: Runcorn, Cheshire, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341842
the national archives reference: RG11
piece / folio: 3515 / 92
page number: 27

James Lever
England and Wales Census, 1881
birth: 1823 — Bolton, Lancashire, England
christening:
baptism:
death:
burial:
residence: 1881 — Weston In Runcorn, Cheshire, England
parents:
spouse: Hannah Lever
child: Joseph Lever
marriage:

record title: England and Wales Census, 1881
name: James Lever
age: 58
gender: Male
birth year: 1823
birthplace: Bolton, Lancashire, England
relationship to head of household: Head
marital condition: Married
profession / occupation: General Lab
address: Weston Terrace
census place: Weston In Runcorn, Cheshire, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341843
the national archives reference: RG11
piece / folio: 3517 / 94
page number: 26

James Lever
England Marriages, 1538–1973
birth:
christening:
baptism:
death:
burial:
residence:
parents: William Lever
spouse: Hannah Monkhouse
child:
marriage: 14 Sep 1845 — Bolton, Lancashire, England

record title: England Marriages, 1538–1973
groom's name: James Lever
bride's name: Hannah Monkhouse
marriage date: 14 Sep 1845
marriage place: Bolton, Lancashire, England
groom's father's name: William Lever
bride's father's name: Michael Monkhouse
indexing project (batch) number: M00957-1
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1538364

Thank you Ann, that is James in 1881 and his marriage. I have found him in 1871, 1861 and 1851 ... his wife Ann/Hannah is a widow in 1891, but I have not found a death for him yet.

I hope I can find which family he belongs too. Thank you again!

James Lever
England and Wales Census, 1841
birth: 1821 — Lancashire
christening:
baptism:
death:
burial:
residence: 1841 — Bolton, Bolton, Lancashire, England
parents:
spouse:
child:
marriage:

record title: England and Wales Census, 1841
name: James Lever
event: Census
event date: 1841
gender: Male
age: 20
birthplace: Lancashire
record type: Household
registration district: Bolton
sub-district: Bolton Eastern, Great
civil parish: Bolton
county: Lancashire

Peter


it's so very difficult pre-1837


One possibility is that it is two separate families

OR could be be James born 1815 died

his mother Ann died

William re-married to Mary

and they had James in 1820?

Of course, James 1815 may not have died ...... it is not unknown for someone to ahve two children with different wives and use the same name for them



Have you tried looking for deaths on that lancs opc site?





sylvia

have you tried possible wills for father William?

or even James himself in case he named other members of family

Thank you for the advice Sylvia ... this is a tricky one! I have looked for a death for James, but nothing shows on the Lancashire family search site. Nothing immediatley but I will look again.

As for a Will for James, Ann. I have some difficulty in finding his death ... he died between 1881-1891, and there are some possibilities, but none in the district I was expecting (Runcorn, Cheshire). When I enquire with the register offices, they say they can not help unless i forward a cheque. I am willing to purhcase a cert, but the office is not very helpful in that I am not sure what information to include (i.e. if he died away from home, his informat may not be a relative etc).

Tricky one!

Peter


I meant look for

.... a death of the James born in 1815 ......... ie, between 1815 and 1820


..... a death of Ann Lever between 1815 and 1820


...... a marriage of William Lever to a Mary between 1815 and, say, 1830




sylvia

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1845
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
LEVER James MONKHOUSE Hannah Bolton, St Peter Bolton 18/8/154

We've seen this above marr earlier. One wonders if Chymist is a p c version of labourer at a bleach works or somesuch - he signed with X


Lancashire Birth indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
1846 LEVER Hannah Little Bolton Bolton MONKHOUSE LB/12/288
1848 LEVER Henry Eastern Bolton Bolton MONKHOUSE EB/18/404
1850 LEVER John H Little Bolton Bolton MONKHOUSE LB/19/265
1851 LEVER James Little Bolton Bolton MONKHOUSE LB/21/400
1853 LEVER Michael Little Bolton Bolton MONKHOUSE LB/24/475
1856 LEVER Sarah E Little Bolton Bolton MONKHOUSE LB/30/207



1851 England Census
Civil parish: Bolton
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 2 Gates? Square
Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Little Bolton
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 101

James Lener[Lever] 27 Bolton, Lancashire, England Head M Labourer on ?
Hannah Lener[Lever] 27 Bolton, Lancashire, England Wife M
William Lener[Lever] 8 Bolton, Lancashire, England Son
John Homben 25 Bolton, Lancashire, England Nephew M Painter
Maria Homben 22 Bolton, Lancashire, England Niece M Factory Hand
Margaret Cropley[Crossby] 20 Bolton, Lancashire, England Niece U Weavers ?
Jane Monkhouse 23 Bolton, Lancashire, England [Sister in law] U Factory Hand

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2209; Folio: 210; Page: 30; GSU roll: 87219.
[I've added the previous corrections - Crossby looks more like Crosly to me, but the image is v hard to read]

Don't know abt Wm - the only likely one I found is:

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1843
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
LEAVER William Little Hulton Bolton HAMPSON LH/3/266

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1842
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
LEVER Richard HAMPSON Betty Bolton, St Mary the Virgin, Deane Parish Church Bolton 24/3/20

Marriage: 28 Mar 1842 St Mary the Virgin, Deane, Lancashire, England
Richard Lever - (X), Full Miner Bachelor of Little Hulton
Betty Hampson - (X), Full Spinster of Little Hulton
Groom's Father: Joseph Lever, Weaver
Bride's Father: John Hampson, Miner
Witness: Abrm. Boardman; William Lever, (X)
Married by Banns by: E Pigot Curate
Register: Marriages 1842 - 1844, Page 10, Entry 20
Source: Microfilm held by Manchester Central Library

Maybe Wm was never registered - anyways, I don't know who he is.

I wondered abt the rellies on 1851, but they all look like Hannah's.

1841 England Census
Civil parish: Bolton Le Moors
Hundred: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: Bk Boin St
Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Little Bolton

Michael Markland[Monkhouse] 60 Joiner
Elizabeth Markland[Monkhouse] 56
Hannah Markland[Monkhouse] 11
Jane Markland[Monkhouse] 9
Mary Horroben 35 Washerwoman
John Horroben 13
Robert Horroben 11
Betty Horroben 8
Michael Horroben 6
Jacob Horroben 4
Henry Horroben 2

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 536; Book: 9; Civil Parish: Bolton Le Moors; County: Lancashire; Enumeration District: 18; Folio: 27; Page: 7; Line: 24; GSU roll: 306920.
[pob=Lancashire, England for all but Michael]


Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1848
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
HORROBIN John HIGGINBOTHAM Maria Bolton, St Peter Bolton 18/11/104


Marriage: 3 Nov 1823 St Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England
Robert Horrobin - of This parish
Mary Monkhouse - of This parish

Marriage: 11 Jun 1848 St Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England
John Horrobin - Full Painter Bachelor of Little Bolton
Maria Higginbottom - (X), Full Spinster of Little Bolton
Groom's Father: Robert Horrobin, Sawyer
Bride's Father: James Higginbottom, Labourer
Witness: Robert Horrobin, (X); James Liptrot
Married by Banns by: John Edwd. Cross, Curate
Register: Marriages 1848 - 1849, Page 52, Entry 104
Source: Microfilm of register at Manchester Library

Marriage: 8 Jun 1860 St Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England
Jacob Horrobin - full Mechanic Bachelor of Great Bolton
Ann Bentley - (X), full Widow of Great Bolton
Groom's Father: Robert Horrobin, Sawyer
Bride's Father: Thomas Monks, Wood Turner
Witness: John Blackley; Robert Rostron, (X)
Married by Banns by: Joseph Farrall Wright Lecturer
Register: Marriages 1859 - 1862, Page 60, Entry 120
Source: Microfilm of the register at Manchester Library


Marriage: 26 May 1886 St Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England
Robert Horrobin - (X), 27 years Hawker Bachelor of 138 Folds Road
Janet Chalton - 21 years Comber Tenter Spinster of 5 Back Princess Street
Groom's Father: John Horrobin, deceased, Painter
Bride's Father: Samuel Chalton, Book Keeper
Witness: James Horrobin; Margaret Horrobin
Married by Superintendent Registrar's Certificate by: J. Tyas Curate
Register: Marriages 1884 - 1889, Page 125, Entry 250
Source: Film of the register at Manchester Library

Marriage: 18 Feb 1857 St Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England
John Powell - (X), Full Nail Maker Bachelor of Little Bolton
Jane Monkhouse - (X), Full Spinster of Little Bolton
Groom's Father: William Powell, Weaver
Bride's Father: Michael Monkhouse, Joiner
Witness: John Blackley; John Dutton
Married by Banns by: R. Harriesjones Curate
Register: Marriages 1856 - 1857, Page 217, Entry 434
Source: Microfilm of the register at Manchester Library

Sylvia, I will look into your suggestions and thank you also MGNV for your help!

This is very kind of you!

Thank you!

Peter