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JaneyCanuck
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9 Apr 2011 21:50 |
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I have sent Elizabeth a summary; the "..."s stand for names or dates that are too recent to put here.
The summary of what I have found -- the information I am quite confident about but can't be certain off, because only birth certificates will show who people's parents were, for instance.
Edward Casewell Wood married Olive Gladys Latham
Their three children were
1. Mary E Wood born 1929 Newport Sh 2. John E Wood born 1930 Newport Sh 3. Margaret A Wood born ... Wellington Sh (I'm sorry Elizabeth, I mistyped it as "Margaret E"; it's "Margaret A")
1. Mary E Wood is your mother.
2. John E Wood married Evelyn R Brinkworth 1953 Wellington Sh - Their child is ... - child may have married twice, to ... ... - There are several possible births to those marriages but no way to be certain without certificates.
3. Margaret A Wood married Derek Crockett ... - Margaret's husband Derek died in 1992 and I can't find her after that (remarriage or death or definite match on the electoral roll) - their children are ... ... - son (and his wife ... and children ... ) and daughter ... both seem to be living in or around Middlesbrough on the 2011 electoral roll, but I can't find addresses or phone numbers
John E Wood's child and Margaret A (Wood) Crockett's children are your first cousins.
Meanwhile, I gave you information about Cherrie Mary Wood, sister of Edward Casewell Wood, as you had requested in your thread:
- married George Elcock, had no children - Cherry Mary (Wood) Elcock died in 1939 - George Elcock remarried in 1940 to Marion S Edge (they have both died now) - George Elcock had 3 childen with his new wife (in the 1940s): ... ... ...
- those three children are the children of Cherrie Mary Wood's widower George Elcock, so they are not related to you, but they may be acquainted with the family of George Elcock's first wife, Cherrie Mary Wood. - they are all in the family trees of members of GenesReunited -- all you do is search trees (the button up at the top) for the surname Elcock, born in Shrewsbury in 1945 +/- 5 years. Then you can contact the people with them in their trees.
I realize that the problem with all this is that while there is now a lot of information about Mary E Wood's brother and sister and their families, we have not yet found a way to contact them.
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JaneyCanuck
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9 Apr 2011 20:30 |
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Elizabeth has replied that she is confused by the information and is trying to sort it out. I hope you do manage, Elizabeth -- I don't think I could organize it any more simply, unfortunately. ;)
Edward Wood and Olive Latham do seem to have had three children: Mary E 1929 John E 1930 Margaret A 1940
There are marriages in Wellington for the names John E Wood (I have sent you all the details) and also, I now see, for Margaret E Wood. I will send you those details as well ... I hope not just to confuse you more!
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JaneyCanuck
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8 Apr 2011 19:16 |
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Elizabeth, have you considered replying to my posts here and the private message I sent you, both full of information that should help you, and both having taken quite a bit of my time?
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JaneyCanuck
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7 Apr 2011 23:51 |
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I see you read my PM some time ago Elizabeth.
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JaneyCanuck
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7 Apr 2011 16:09 |
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I suspect that Cherrie Wood's husband George Elcock remarried after her 1939 death:
Marriages Dec 1940 Edge Marion S Elcock Shrewsbury 6a 2279 Elcock George Edge Shrewsbury 6a 2279
Name: Marion Sara Elcock Birth Date: 9 Nov 1914 Death Registration Month/Year: 1982 Registration district: Shrewsbury Inferred County: Shropshire Volume: 30 Page: 0444
There are three births to that marriage. All are male, which makes tracing that much easier; all three are on the electoral roll.
Those three are the children of the widower of Cherrie Mary Wood. And -- all three are in the family trees of members of this website, one of whom is one of the children.
I'm just going to go ahead and PM you some info.
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JaneyCanuck
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7 Apr 2011 15:47 |
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Now, there is a John E Wood marriage in Wellington in 1953. This would fit well with your JEW. (It is not yet transcribed at FreeBMD; found at Ancestry.) There's an error in either the GRO or the Ancestry index that messes up the matching, but I identified the wife. I checked the electoral roll at 192.com but they do not appear on it together in the last 10 years.
There appears to be only one birth to that marriage (fortunately the wife's name is uncommon). - edit - if you search trees for the wife's name with no other info, she is first on the list of results in family trees here at GR
If I'm correct that you are looking for info about John E Wood and family, just add a post to confirm and I will send you that info privately.
Actually, it appears that the child married in the place where Gladys Wood died. There are two births that could be to that marriage. ... But it seems the child may have remarried later. The remarried couple was on the electoral roll but only some time ago.
It may well be possible to locate someone in that family, so let us know if that is what you want to try to do.
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JaneyCanuck
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7 Apr 2011 15:28 |
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There's one common explanation for a surname as a middle name -- it's the surname of the mother, where the parents are married.
1911 as posted above
WOOD, Edward Head Married M 34 1877 Railway Canvasser Shrewsbury Shropshire WOOD, Mary Ann Wife Married 13 years F 33 1878 Heinstock Shropshire
So how about a marriage between a Wood and a Casewell?? Again -- easily found at FreeBMD.
Marriages Sep 1897 > Casewell Mary Ann Congleton 8a 502 Langford Charles Congleton 8a 502 SWAIN Gertrude Congleton 8a 502 > Wood Edward Congleton 8a 502
Matches the names and time (married 13 years in the 1911 census) exactly.
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JaneyCanuck
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7 Apr 2011 15:17 |
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For info, this is the death of Mary E Wood's mother, as the location might be useful.
Name: Olive Gladys Wood Birth Date: 1 Oct 1906 Death Registration Month/Year: 1972 Registration district: Stourbridge Inferred County: Worcestershire Volume: 9d Page: 481
I tried guessing that John E Wood's middle name would be Edward, for his father. There is no death up to 2005 for a John Edward Wood born in 1930. Without a middle name and/or exact birthdate there would be no way of identifying his death, if he died in England/Wales before that date; the name is just too common.
You should get his birth certificate; that wll give you his full name and birthdate, and that can be used to search death records. If you get it, don't post those details here, just let us know you have the info and you can give it to someone privately so the search can be done.
This could be the death of Edward Casewell Wood (full middle names were not included in the index until 1969); the age matches and the location fits with what your mother said:
Name: Edward C Wood Death Registration Month/Year: 1962 Age at death (estimated): 51 Registration district: Birmingham Inferred County: Warwickshire Volume: 9c Page: 309
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JaneyCanuck
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7 Apr 2011 15:09 |
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The way to locate Elcock-Wood births is to search at FreeBMD for births with surname Elcock and mother Wood. Because of the dates, the details should not be posted here as the individuals could still be living.
Have you not done that?
There are two, one of which you have noted. To check whether that birth might have been to a different couple, search for marriages between the two surnames (as I described earlier re Latham and Wood).
In fact there was a 1921 marriage in Pontefract, the location of the 1922 birth, so that birth is not likely to your couple, who married in Wellington Shropshire..
The other birth was in Yorkshire also, so it is likely a birth to the other couple as well.
If there is no birth with the surnames of the marriage, it seems there is no birth to be found. Nobody actually knows these things, we can all just do the searches to try to find the answers.
Do note the spelling of the name on the marriage: (edit - I could have sworn the post above mine said "Sherrie Mary Wood" ... edited since?)
Marriages Jun 1924 Elcock George Wood Wellington Sh. 6a 1717 Wood Cherrie M Elcock Wellington Sh. 6a 1717
also the birth
Births Sep 1898 WOOD Cherrie Mary Wellington, Sh. 6a 746
her death, also easily found at FreeBMD:
Deaths Dec 1939 Elcock Cherrie M 41 Shrewsbury 6a 1743
Possibly her husband's death:
Name: George Elcock Birth Date: 2 Oct 1893 Death Registration Month/Year: Jan 1984 Age at death (estimated): 90 Registration district: Shrewsbury Inferred County: Shropshire Volume: 30 Page: 246
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Elizabeth
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7 Apr 2011 02:26 |
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How does the name Casewell fit into the Latham and Wood puzzle Still have not been able to locate any children to John E Wood b: 1931 in Newport shropshire or Cherrie Mary Wood b:1899 in Wellington Shropshire i believe she married a George Elcock in 1924 does anybody have anything to add?
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Elizabeth
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30 Mar 2011 02:29 |
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Does anyone know if Sherrie Mary Wood born in 1898 in Wellington Sh. had a son named Leonard E. Elcock in 1922. before her marriege to George Elcock in 1924 the records indicate that a child was born to a Wood (maiden name) last name Elcock. I guess my question is where there any other children born to them and if so when when where?
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Elizabeth
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24 Mar 2011 22:51 |
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Thank You I will try the Search Trees Facility. John E Wood would have been Mary E Wood's brother. I also think that there was a sister.
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MarieCeleste
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24 Mar 2011 18:58 |
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Hello again Elizabeth.
The only way to find out if anyone has Olive or her family in their trees is to use the "Search Trees" facility at the top of this page (just under the Genes Reunited logo).
Could you clarify whether you mean a brother of Olive or of your mother?
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Elizabeth
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24 Mar 2011 01:40 |
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Olive Gladys Latham born 1906 married Edward Casewell Wood born 1901 married in 1927 in Wolverhampton. They had 2 children Mary Elizabeth Wood Sep 1929 and John E Wood born in Dec 1930, 6A 961 both where born in Newport Shropshire I was incorrect when i stated her siblings where Margaret and William. My memory is not as clear as it should be but I believe there was another sibling Is there anyone out there who has my grandparents in their tree? and now that I know about her brother How do I find out if he got married and had children ?
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MarieCeleste
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22 Mar 2011 20:31 |
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Those Lathams in 1901:
LATHAM, John Head Married M 46 1855 Labourer (Coke Ovens) Lilleshall Salop LATHAM, Elizabeth Wife Married F 47 1854 Lilleshall Salop LATHAM, Elizabeth A Daughter F 13 1888 Lilleshall Salop LATHAM, John W Son M 9 1892 Lilleshall Salop LATHAM, James Son M 8 1893 Lilleshall Salop LATHAM, Eliza Daughter F 6 1895 Lilleshall Salop Registration District: Newport Sub District: Newport Enumeration District: 12 Ecclesiastical Parish: St Georges Civil Parish: Lilleshall Municipal Borough:
Address: 362, (The Wood), Lilleshall, The Wood County: Shropshire
and Jessie in service?:
KIBBLE, Richard Head Married M 65 1836 Furnaceman At Steel Works Shifnal Salop KIBBLE, John Son Single M 29 1872 Railway Shunter Wellington Salop KIBBLE, Stanley J Son Single M 21 1880 Grocer & Baker Wellington Salop HIGHWAY, Louisa Daughter Widow F 32 1869 Wellington Salop HIGHWAY, John C Grand Son Single M 9 1892 Darlaston Staffordshire HIGHWAY, Maude E Grand Daughter Single F 5 1896 Darlaston Staffordshire >>LATHAM, Jessie Servant Single F 15 1886 Domestic Servant Wellington Salop Registration District: Wellington Sub District: Wellington Enumeration District: 7 Ecclesiastical Parish: Ketley St Mary's Civil Parish: Wellington Rural Municipal Borough:
Address: Beveley, Wellington Rural, Beveley County: Shropshire
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Dea
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22 Mar 2011 20:24 |
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1911: WOOD, Edward Head Married M 34 1877 Railway Canvasser Shrewsbury Shropshire WOOD, Mary Ann Wife Married 13 years F 33 1878 Heinstock Shropshire WOOD, Cherrie Mary Daughter F 12 1899 Wellington Shropshire WOOD, Edward Casewell Son M 10 1901 Wellington Shropshire
RG14PN16082 RG78PN992 RD349 SD2 ED15 SN93 Registration District: Atcham Sub District: St Mary Enumeration District: 15 Parish: St Giles Address: 6 Cleveland Street Shrewsbury County: Shropshire Dea x
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MarieCeleste
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22 Mar 2011 20:21 |
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Olive in 1911 - with grandparents?
LATHAM, John Head Married M 50 1861 Coke Loader Salop St Georges LATHAM, Elisabeth Wife Married 28 years F 55 1856 Salop Donnington Wood LATHAM, Jessie Daughter Single F 25 1886 Salop St Georges LATHAM, Elisabeth Daughter Single F 21 1890 Salop St Georges LATHAM, William John Son Single M 19 1892 Brickyard Labourer Salop St Georges LATHAM, James Son Single M 18 1893 Brickyard Labourer Salop St Georges >>LATHAM, Olive Grand Dau Single F 3 1908 Salop St Georges LATHAM, Emily Daughter Single F 16 1895 Salop St Georges Registration District: Newport Sub District: Newport Enumeration District: 10 Parish: Lilleshall Address: 362 Granville Road St Georges Wellington Shropshire County: Shropshire
** John and Elisabeth had 11 children, of which 6 were still living.
If these are her maternal grandparents then it implies her mother wasn't married.
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Mike *
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22 Mar 2011 20:19 |
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Hopefully you can find your Grandparents with their families on the 1911 census
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22 Mar 2011 20:17 |
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Grandfather's birth .... again Shropshire.
Births Mar 1901 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wood Edward Casewell - Wellington, Sh. 6a 721
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22 Mar 2011 20:15 |
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Looks like your Newport connection comes from your Grandmother Olive. Newport, Shropshire, that is.
Births Dec 1906 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Latham Olive Gladys - Newport, Sh. 6a 714
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