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Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 23,482 Send Message	MargaretM	Report	28 Aug 2012 17:32
	Irene, as I suggested before, click on AuntieGillie's name and send her a message. Also click on "Edit" on your first post and remove your email address.
	Researching: Great grandmother Dorothy Bean nee Abbott (1858-1908)
Member Since: March 2007 Posts: 3 Send Message	Irene	Report	28 Aug 2012 15:25
Member Since: March 2007 Posts: 3 Send Message	I had the same problems with the Head familt. William Head is my ancestor too. He was actully born William Mattinson and the wife and children took the same name until the 1870's! Look at the census' from 1851 .1861 and 1871 Great puzzle as to why change of name but I wrote a letter to the Editor of WHo Do you think You Are Magazine and it featured as a full length article in August 2008. I have copies of marriage and death certs for william and Margaret if you contact me. Quite a sad story attached to this family Will also let you have copy of article. I'm an o'a'p' and would prefer to use Royal Mail if poss.Hope to make contact. Irene
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 23,482 Send Message	MargaretM	Report	27 Aug 2012 18:28
	Irene, I doubt that AuntieGillie is still checking this old thread. I suggest you click on her name and send her a personal message. Also you should remove your email address from your post for your own security.
	Researching: Great grandmother Dorothy Bean nee Abbott (1858-1908)
Member Since: March 2007 Posts: 3 Send Message	Irene	Report	27 Aug 2012 17:37
Member Since: March 2007 Posts: 3 Send Message	think i can help having worked through the head family. My Grandmother was Mary ann head.
Member Since: March 2007 Posts: 3 Send Message	Irene	Report	27 Aug 2012 17:35
Member Since: March 2007 Posts: 3 Send Message	think i can help having worked through the head family. My Grandmother was Mary ann head.
Member Since: December 2004 Posts: 24,447 Send Message	Dea	Report	17 Mar 2011 21:29
	XXX MadBull. Dea Xxx
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 23,482 Send Message	MargaretM	Report	17 Mar 2011 21:23
	Sorry about that, Dea, but it makes up for all the times that you beat me to it!
	Researching: Great grandmother Dorothy Bean nee Abbott (1858-1908)
Member Since: September 2006 Posts: 34,375 Send Message	Mike *	Report	17 Mar 2011 18:17
	Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1839 BRAITHWAITE Margaret - Preston Preston - Mother BRAITHWAITE
Member Since: July 2009 Posts: 62 Send Message	AuntieGilly	Report	17 Mar 2011 18:16
	Thanks one and all - I'm amazed (and very grateful) at just how generous you all are with your time in helping out. Best to all ... Gill
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Member Since: December 2004 Posts: 24,447 Send Message	Dea	Report	17 Mar 2011 18:15
	OOhh drattt!!! -MadBull! I have just followed that ver 'theory' through and come to the same info but you beat me to it! Well done though! Dea x
Member Since: July 2009 Posts: 62 Send Message	AuntieGilly	Report	17 Mar 2011 18:09
	MadBull - wow, that takes a bit of getting my head around! This novice has a lot to learn! It'll give me something to do this weekend. Thanks for the lead to follow up - much appreciated! Rgds, Gill
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Member Since: September 2006 Posts: 34,375 Send Message	Mike *	Report	17 Mar 2011 18:08
	The maiden name will be still be on the child's birth certificate even though they don't show up on the index until after 1911. You can apply online ( at £9.25 each) from the General Registry Office LINK : http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates EDIT Actually, MadBull seems to have solved it. Maragaret Maria was born Braithwaite but then her mum married Tyrer so she probably used both names at times. One and the same mother for all children I would bet.
Member Since: July 2009 Posts: 62 Send Message	AuntieGilly	Report	17 Mar 2011 18:05
	Mike - I tried FreeBMD first, but it's before the point at which mothers maiden name was recorded. The info I did find came from LancashireBMD (online). I wasn't sure whether there might be other sources around that recorded mothers/maiden names - it's a steep learning curve in the early days! Last resort will have to be to put my hand in my pocket and get certificates! Thanks for your help - it's much appreciated - and very reassuring! Rgds, Gill
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Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 23,482 Send Message	MargaretM	Report	17 Mar 2011 18:04
	Oh yes!!! Here's a marriage to substantiate my theory: TYRER, John Marriage Wife: Elizabeth BRAITHWAITE Marriage Date: 30 Sep 1839 Recorded in: Bamber-bridge, Lancashire, England Husband's Father: William TYRER Wife's Father: Robert BRAITHWAITE Source: FHL Film 1471151 Dates: 1839 - 1900
	Researching: Great grandmother Dorothy Bean nee Abbott (1858-1908)
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 23,482 Send Message	MargaretM	Report	17 Mar 2011 18:02
	There's a Margaret Tyrer on the 1851 census in Preston, the right age. Parents are John & Elizabeth Tyrer. She's 5 years older than the next child which made me wonder if she was an illegitimate child of the mother before she was married and was born a Braithwaite and then taken stepfather's name. Couldn't find a marriage though to substantiate my theory.
	Researching: Great grandmother Dorothy Bean nee Abbott (1858-1908)
Member Since: September 2006 Posts: 34,375 Send Message	Mike *	Report	17 Mar 2011 17:58
	You could always check out the children's birth certificates for confirmation of mother's name. Search freebmd for details of the "suspect children" LINK : http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl
Member Since: July 2009 Posts: 62 Send Message	AuntieGilly	Report	17 Mar 2011 17:52
	Mike - There was a Margaret Braithwaite born Preston in 1839, so the age match is looking OK. But I'm no nearer finding out who the missing "Tyrer" lady was! (Or even whether there may be an error on LancsBMD - I'm a bit new to all of this, so don't have much experience).
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Member Since: September 2006 Posts: 34,375 Send Message	Mike *	Report	17 Mar 2011 17:47
	I would check out this certificate to see if she was William's widow Deaths Mar 1871 Head Margaret - 32 - Preston 8e 350 Does the age match?
Member Since: July 2009 Posts: 62 Send Message	AuntieGilly	Report	17 Mar 2011 17:46
	Sorry Mike - was my mistake - right death, wrong reference! Apologies if I lead you astray! Rgds, Gill
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Member Since: September 2006 Posts: 34,375 Send Message	Mike *	Report	17 Mar 2011 17:45
	More likely Burial: 7 Jan 1871 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England Margaret Head - Age: 32 Abode: Livesey St Buried by: E. Lee

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