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Thanks again Maureen, hope it is not her mother, as I have her as Elizabeth!!

Joy

Hi Joy,

No it doesn't say anything about Ann other than she was a widow and born in Wakefield.

Maureen

Thanks Maureen, noticed Henrietta but did not think it was the same person, as I did not have 1871 Census!!

Does it say who Ann Allen is to the family?

Thanks, Joy

1871 England Census about George W Marsden
Name: George W Marsden
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Annette C Marsden
Gender: Male
Where born: Wakefield, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Wakefield
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Wakefield
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Wakefield
Sub-registration district: Wakefield
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 201
Piece: 4623
Folio: 54
Page Number: 37
George W Marsden 32
Annette C Marsden 30
Laura E Marsden 8
Philip S Marsden 6
Marmaduke Marsden 5
George Marsden 4
William Marsden 3
Annette L Marsden 1
Ann Chapman 20
Maria Laxton 17
Ann Allen 72

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 4623; Folio: 54; Page: 37;
...................
1881 census transcription details for: Northgate, Wakefield

RG number: RG11 Piece: 4576 Folio: 64 Page: 52

Reg. District: Wakefield Sub District: Wakefield
Parish: Wakefield Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Northgate, Wakefield
County: Yorkshire (West riding)

MARSDEN, George W Head Married M 42 1839 Solicitor
Wakefield
Yorkshire
MARSDEN, Henrietta C Wife Married F 42 1839
York
Yorkshire
MARSDEN, Philip S Son Single M 16 1865 Solrs Clerk (Articled)
Wakefield
Yorkshire
MARSDEN, Marmaduke Son Single M 15 1866 Scholar
Wakefield
Yorkshire
MARSDEN, George W Son Single M 14 1867 Scholar
Wakefield
Yorkshire
MARSDEN, William A Son Single M 13 1868 Scholar
Wakefield
Yorkshire
MARSDEN, Annette L Daughter Single F 11 1870 Scholar
Wakefield
Yorkshire
TAYLOR, Clara Servant Married F 19 1862 Domestic Servt
Lee Moor WD
Yorkshire


Maureen

Hi all,

I am trying to find George William Marsden - not sure where & when he was born and his wife Annette Charlotte nee Allen b 1836 in York, Annette died June 1889 Wakefield. They married in 1861.

I cannot find them on the 1881 Census, could someone please check the 1871 Census & see if they are on there?

Thanks, Joy

I think the chance of there being two Mary Harriet C Allens, one by birth and one by marriage, is rather remote, really.

Son Frank raymond Allen born Ceylon 1910. -- one of the executors named in the newspaper listing about the estate.


1911

ALLEN FREDERICK CHARLES 1865 46 Kensington London
ALLEN MARY HARRIET CORRIE 1875 36 >> wife
ALLEN VIOLET PARKINSON 1904 7
ALLEN FRANK RAYMOND 1910 1


But I could be wrong! ;)

Aren't you doing any searching, Mel??


Marriages Dec 1902
Allen Frederick Charles Winchester 2c 261
Nash Mary Harriet C Winchester 2c 261

Quite the concidence! (The Mary Harriet C Allen was born in Derbyshire, too, which doesn't fit, I think.)

One other likely birth to the marriage:

Births Jun 1912
Allen John P Nash Chelsea 1a 718

I think Mary Harriet Corrie Nash Allen may have been a Nash by marriage, and was possibly this MHC:

Births Dec > 1874
Parker Mary Harriet C > Winchester 2c 111

... although I don't see a marriage to fit -- but there also is no MHC Nash birth.

MHC may have been a dame by birth?

Frederick left estate in New South Wales of £34,400, can you check to see what was the total? I think someone gave me what his cousins, would be worth today, from memory about £46,000,000!!

I am off to bed, nearly 11.30, thanks for all your help,

Joy

Thank you, Frank also became Sir, I wonder what he did!!

Joy

1911 they had,
Violet Parkinson Allen born Ceylon 1904
Frank raymond Allen born Ceylon 1910.

Maryb

Mary,

I think you might be right, in the newspaper article on previous page there is a Dame Mary Harriet Corrie, who I thought was Fredericks wife, I believe that they had a son, not sure if any other children.

At the bottom of his will it is written - 'The testator expressed the earnest wish that his son should not rely only upon the income he would derive from the estate, but that he would order his life in such manner as would make him a useful member of the community in whatever part of the world he might make his home.'

Do we have 2 Mary Harriet C Allens,one the wife of Frederick Charles Allen born Fair Oaks Hants 1875

One a sister born Derby 1875.

Maryb

Thanks for your replies. It is strange that Mary Harriet is not on the 1881 or 1891 Census with her mother & siblings, can anyone see her for me.

Just a query, why would they become Dame, Sir and Baronet?

Maryb, I have done Hannah's family, her brother was also very well off Managing Director of Alexander Docks, Newport, Monmouth

Joy

I'm not sure that any of those Allens lived or died in Australia though -- the notice of the probate was published in Australia, but the probate was granted in England. Notice was probably published there because the deceased owned property or did business in Australia.

Name: Frederick C Allen
Death Registration Month/Year: 1934
Age at death (estimated): 70
Registration district: Kensington
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 122

These deaths could match

Name: Harry M Allen
Death Registration Month/Year: 1943
Age at death (estimated): 76 = dob c1867
Registration district: Croydon
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 727

Name: Ada P Allen
Death Registration Month/Year: 1961
Age at death (estimated): 94 = cob c1867
Registration district: Cheltenham
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 9b
Page: 320

-- the bio details on page 1 say 1937, but I don't see a death that year

and also in the list of executors

Name: Mary H C Allen
Death Registration Month/Year: 1956
Age at death (estimated): 81
Registration district: Maidenhead
Inferred County: Berkshire
Volume: 6a
Page: 14

birth (so - sister):
Name: Mary Harriet C Allen
Year of Registration: 1875
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Derby
County: Derbyshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 464

It seems Charles was Charles N Allen not Jake.

Charles Noke Allen baptised St Olaves York 19/10/1837 by William and Elizabeth



1841 He is Charles N Allen.
1851 Charles N Allen son of William Allen 1803 Teacher of Dance.
William and Elizabeth also had William MILWARD Allen 1844.

In 1871/81 she is down as married.
1891 widow!!

On the IGI there is a Charles N Allen born York 1837 died in USA 1903 he was a Violinist.Could this be the same man??

Hannah must have been comfortably of in her own rights to bring up and educate her 3 children on her own.

Maryb

Are you interested in Harry's mum Hannah nee Parkinson?

Maryb

It looks like his brother Sir Frederick Charles Allen was Managing Director with British India Steamship and was a Deputy Chairman of P and O!!

He was created a Baronet in 1933.

Is there any way I can find out when he went to India?

I have not been able to find a death of his father Charles Jake Allen, he was not listed as living with the family on the 1871 or 1881 Census, but his wife is a widow on the 1891 Census.

Thanks, Joy

Fancy find him living and dying here in Australia. There are a number of articles, so will go through them all.

On the Will details given by Janey, I assume the Dame Mary Harriet Allen is Fredericks wife.

Sorry, didn't get back earlier, lost power, so annoying!!

Wow Janey,

Thank you, Sir Frederick Charles is, I believe Harry's brother. Will have a look at article, thanks again,

Joy

Wonder if Noke should be Jake ?

Marriages Jun 1863 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

ALLEN Charles Jake - Scarbro 9d 469
PARKINSON Hannah - Scarbro 9d 469

Name: Averil Ada Allen
Birth Date: 13 Sep 1897
Death Registration Month/Year: Jul 1988
Age at death (estimated): 90
Registration district: Cheltenham
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 22
Page: 1490


That birth just was not registered!

Unless she was informally adopted and her name changed ...