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Could this be the death of John Brady junior born c1888? would explain why we can`t find him in 1901, with Thomas Longhurst and Emma or anywhere else....

Deaths Dec 1898 (>99%)
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Brady John 10 Dartford 2a 292



Maybe purchasing one of the birth certs for the children Emma had after 1901 may shed some light on their parentage...??



Nicky

It looks like you're right. I suppose the marriage of Thomas and Sarah Ann Sparks would confirm the father of Thomas which would help me identify which Thomas is mine.
Emma and son Thomas (my grandfather) are still in England in 1911 so it wasn't them that went to America.
I don't have the death certificate yet but looks like it's gonna have to be my next purchase.

Do you have the death cert. for Thomas Longhurst who died 1901?...

If not I think you need to order it to confirm that it is in fact "your" Thomas..






There is a Thomas longhurst {age unknown} leaving Liverpool in 1909 for New york..wife is initial E. and there is an M longhurst 21 year old Spinster with them....wonder if this is the family that was referreed to earlier? ........ Emma nee Brough?


Nicky

1881....They have different occupations...

WYLD, John Head Married M 42 1839 Farmer Of 326 Acres Empy 29 Men 5 Boys & 14 Woman
Scotland VIEW
WYLD, Agnes Wife Married F 44 1837
Scotland VIEW
HOLLEBON, Mary Servant Single F 20 1861 Cook Domestic Servant
Wrotham
Kent VIEW
BALDOCK, Jane Servant Single F 22 1859 House & Parlourmaid Servant
Ashford
Kent VIEW
LONGHURST, Thomas Servant Single M 26 1855 Coachman Servant
Hadlow
Kent VIEW

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Registration District:
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Yalding Enumeration District:
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Civil Parish:
Yalding Municipal Borough:
Address:
Spit Brook House, Yalding County:
Kent

1881...

LONGHURST, Thomas Head Married M 54 1827 Labourer General
Hadlow
Kent VIEW
LONGHURST, Sarah Wife Married F 49 1832 Wife
Tunbridge
Kent VIEW
LONGHURST, Thomas Head Married M 24 1857 Labourer Tanners
Tunbridge
Kent VIEW
LONGHURST, John Son Single M 23 1858 Labourer Tanners
Adlow
Kent VIEW
LONGHURST, Phillip Daughter Single F 21 1860 Domestic Servant
Dartford
Kent VIEW
LONGHURST, Sarah Daughter Single F 19 1862 Domestic Servant
Dartford
Kent VIEW
LONGHURST, Henry Son Single M 16 1865 Scholar
Dartford
Kent VIEW
LONGHURST, Ellen Daughter Single F 13 1868 Scholar
Dartford
Kent VIEW
LONGHURST, Fanny Daughter Single F 11 1870 Scholar
Dartford
Kent VIEW
LONGHURST, Lucy Daughter Single F 5 1876 Scholar
Bermondsey
Surrey VIEW
DONSETT, Samuel Lodger Single M 26 1855 Labourer Tanners
Bermondsey
Surrey VIEW

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Bermondsey Municipal Borough:
Address:
1, Johns Place, Bermondsey County:
Surrey




Nicky

Same families in 1871...

PEARCE, John Head M 67 1804 Kent VIEW
PEARCE, Annet Wife F 66 1805 Kent VIEW
LONGHURST, Thomas Grandson M 16 1855 Kent VIEW ...Image shows born Hadlow.
PEARCE, Louisa Granddaughter F 9 1862 Kent VIEW
PEARCE, Annie Granddaughter F 7 1864 Kent VIEW

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Hadlow Municipal Borough:
Address:
Blackman's Lane, Hadlow County:
Kent

1871..

LONGHURST, Thomas Head M 39 1832 Kent VIEW
LONGHURST, Sarah Wife F 33 1838 Kent VIEW
LONGHURST, Thomas Son M 15 1856 Kent VIEW
LONGHURST, John Son M 13 1858 Kent VIEW
LONGHURST, Phillis Daughter F 10 1861 Kent VIEW
LONGHURST, Sarah Daughter F 7 1864 Kent VIEW
LONGHURST, George Son M 5 1866 Kent VIEW
LONGHURST, Ellen Daughter F 2 1869 Kent VIEW

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Address:
Fulwich Lane, Dartford County:
Kent



Nicky

There are 2 Thomas Longhursts born c1854 in Hadlow..

1861..

PURCE, John Head Married M 57 1804 Agricultural Labourer
Kent VIEW
PURCE, Hannah Wife Married F 36 1825
...
Kent VIEW
PURCE, Henry Son Unmarried M 13 1848 Agricultural Labourer
Kent VIEW
LONGHURST, Thos Lodger Unmarried M 6 1855
Hadlow VIEW

The surname is Pierce.....been mistranscribed as Purce.
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Hadlow Municipal Borough:
Address:
Falkner, Gold Hill Green, Hadlow County:
Kent


1861...

LONGHURST, Thomas Head Married M 24 1837 Labourer
Hadlow
Kent VIEW
LONGHURST, Sarah Wife Married F 23 1838
Tonbridge
Kent VIEW
LONGHURST, Thomas Son Unmarried M 5 1856
Hadlow
Kent VIEW
LONGHURST, John Son Unmarried M 3 1858
Hadlow
Kent VIEW
LONGHURST, Philidelphia Daughter F 2 1859
Dartford
Kent VIEW

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Address:
Dartford Road, Dartford County:
Kent



Nicky

From what i have found i have only managed to find one death registration from Thomas Longhurst (died in 1901, born 1854). But shouldn't i be able to find 2? I've looked at all the ages can't find anymore deaths registered for anyone born circa 1854. I know Emma says she's widowed on the 1911 census but strangley shes got 2 children Violet in 1905 and James circa 1908 with her. Very odd!!!

Well, there's a tree with some of these names on Ancestry. BUT it has the family going backwards and forwards to Idaho and Kent for most of the 19th century which I think is probably not that likely.

That tree shows Emma as Emma Brough with a marriage in Salt Lake City ...

Jill

Do you have Thomas' death certificate? Or is Emma describing herself as a widow?

Maybe they were living together and he was still married to Sarah Ann? Stranger things have happened.

Might be worth seeing if you can find out more about the Thomas Longhurst who was married to Sarah Ann. One of their ancestors might be able to help.

Jill

I know, it's all a bit strange. Also not been able to find Thomas Longhurst before 1901 makes it harder. I know he was a coachman/wagoner and Domestic gardener (from birth a baptism records) and that he was born in Hadlow but there seems to be only 1 Thomas Longhurst who was born there (who is married to Sarah Ann on the 1901 census). Whats strange is the other Thomas Longhurst was a coachman and domestic gardener as well!

????????????
Deaths Jun 1888
BRADY John 67 Malling 2a 333


Can't find 2nd marriage either.

Or John Brady jnr again.

Ozi

An update on the info i have on the couple!!

I received Thomas Alfred Longhurst birth certifcate today. It says he was born in 1894 in Fawkham. His father Thomas was a Wagoner and his mother names was late Brady formerly Diprose. I found the marriage for John Thomas Brady and Emma Diprose in 1886. On the 1891 census Emma is living with her mother and son John Brady but her husband is not present even though it states she is married.
I still can't find a marriage for Thomas Longhurst and Emma!!!

Yes, Emma was born in Hadlow in 1868 on the 1911 census. Thomas had already died in 1901 but two other children of hers are present on the census who where born after his death.
Strange why there are no marriages for Thomas and Emma though (apart from the one in 1876)

Was Emma born in Hadlow on the 1911?

The above is wrong...just found Thomas and Sarah in 1901 when your Thomas was alive and kicking and living with/married to Emma..


Nicky

Marriage for the above if this is your Thomas...

Marriages Jun 1881 (>99%)
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Green Edwin Orris Malling 2a 859
>>>>LONGHURST Thomas Malling 2a 859
RAYFIELD Amy Henrietta Malling 2a 859
>>>>Sparks Sarah Ann Malling 2a 859


Nicky

Was Thomas married previously ??

is this him in 1891?? Place of birth matches 1901 census.

LONGHURST, Thomas Head Married M 36 1855 Coachman Domestic Servant
Hadlow
Kent VIEW
LONGHURST, Sarah A Wife Married F 40 1851
East Malling
Kent VIEW
LONGHURST, George Son M 8 1883 Scholar
East Sutton
Kent VIEW
LONGHURST, Percy J Son M 6 1885 Scholar
East Sutton
Kent VIEW
LONGHURST, Albert E Son M 4 1887 Scholar
East Sutton
Kent VIEW
LONGHURST, Esther M Daughter F 3 1888
East Sutton
Kent VIEW
LONGHURST, Thomas Son M 0 (5M) 1891
East Sutton
Kent VIEW
SPARKS, Richard Father In Law Widower M 76 1815 Agricultural Labourer
Ryarsh
Kent VIEW

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Nicky
Registration District:
Hollingbourn Sub District:
Headcorn Enumeration District:
5 Ecclesiastical Parish:
East Sutton

Civil Parish:
East Sutton Municipal Borough:
Address:
Charlton Court Cottages, Friday Street, East Sutton County:
Kent

I found that marriage but according to the census's Emma was born in 1865 so she wouldn't have been old enough

Is this too early?

Marriages Dec 1876

CLIFFORD Emma ..Dartford 2a 619
LONGHURST Thomas ..Dartford 2a 619

Some of mine didn't use their middle names when marrying.

Gwyn

Hello Derek, you should add this request to your original thread, rather than start a new one - that way information which is pertinent for cross referencing is all in one place.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/records_office/thread/1260052

If you go to "My Thread Participation" on the left you will find it. I'll also nudge it up for you.