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Thank you for your reply .re. Albert John Townhill, my mum did say that he was born in Canterbury Kent.I KNOW THAT HE WAS 69 when he died in november 1946 he is intered in St Marys cemetary in Dover Kent.My grandmother Alice Maud Townhill was also 69 when she died in April 1950 . alice

If this is Albert's mother then he was born before she married.

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Marriages Jun 1883

BUDDLE Mary Ann - Thanet 2a 1281
Townhill Joseph - Thanet 2a 1281


Not seeing a birth for Albert John Buddle in Kent though.

Maybe that's simply where he THOUGHT he was born.


There is this one .... ????????


Births Sep 1879
Beadle Albert John - Orsett 4a 250

Hi my name is alice i'm researching my grandparents Albert john townhill- alice maud o'dell. I have recently obtained their marriage certificate.THEY WERE MARRIED ON 24 JULY 1906 Dover register office.Albert John Townhill was 26 and was a drummerin the 1st Battalion The Buffs [ residence Citadel Barracks Dover Kent ] I t gives his fathers name as Robert Townhill [deceased ].He was an army pensioner. Alice Maud O'dell was 22 and lived at 45 Limekiln st Dover Kent. Her fathers name was John O'dell [ Deceased] He is listed as an army pensioner. That is all the information i have apart from their children my aunts and uncles . ELLA MAY 1906, LILLIAN ROSE 1908, ALBERT JOHN 1910, EILEEN WINIFRED 1913 [ MY MUM ], RUBY KATHLEEN 1916, ALICE MAUD 1921. thanks alice

His step father's death.

Deaths Mar 1897 Townhill Joseph 52 Canterbury 2a 513

Sister Lilian's Marriage?

Marriages Jun 1907
CROUCH James Ernest Canterbury 2a 1793
HOLMAN Elizabeth Sophia Canterbury 2a 1793
PRESSLAND Herbert Canterbury 2a 1793
TOWNHILL Lilian Rose Canterbury 2a 1793


Births Sep 1883 Townhill Lilian Rose Canterbury 2a 785


1911

Name: Lillian Rose Pressland
Age in 1911: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Canterbury, Kent, England
Civil parish: Gateshead
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address: 64 Marian St Gateshead
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Gateshead
Registration District Number: 557
Sub-registration district: Gateshead
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Piece: 30427
Household Members: Name Age
Herbert Pressland 27
Lillian Rose Pressland 27
Herbert William Pressland 3
Doris Winifred Pressland 2
Arthur Leslie Pressland 1/12

The military records that MarieCeleste has already mention say that Albert's mother was Mrs. Mary Townhill, 23 (maybe 25) New Town Street. They also say that he had a younger brother William and a younger sister Lilian.

So now I am thinking that Bertie Buddle may well be our Albert John
Townhill.

1901

Name: Mary Townhill
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: St Nicholas Thant, Kent, England

Civil parish: Canterbury
Ecclesiastical parish: Canterbury St Gregory
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address: 25 New Town Street <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Occupation: Charwoman

Condition as to marriage: Widow

Employment status:

Registration district: Canterbury
Sub-registration district: Canterbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 102
Piece: 792
Folio: 60
Page Number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Townhill 42
William Townhill 14
Robert Townhill 11



Anyone else got any thoughts on this please?

I think you need to buy Albert's marriage certificate to see if he gives his father's name and occupation.

Trying to find Albert on the census, I am drawn to this chappie but his middle initial is wrong!

1891

Name: Bertie W Townhill
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Joseph Townhill
Mother's Name: Mary A Townhill
Gender: Male
Where born: Canterbury, Kent, England

Civil parish: St Mary Northgate
Ecclesiastical parish: St Gregory the Great
Town: Canterbury
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Canterbury
Sub-registration district: Canterbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 706
Folio: 63
Page Number: 14
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Townhill 46 Army pensioner
Mary A Townhill 33
Bertie W Townhill 12
Lilian R Townhill 7
William A Townhill 4
Robert T J Townhill 1

Marriages Jun 1883
Buddle Mary Ann Thanet 2a 1281
Townhill Joseph Thanet 2a 1281


1881

Name: Bertie Buddle
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Canterbury, Kent, England

Civil parish: St Nicholas at Wade
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address: Chapel Sq
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Thanet
Sub-registration district: Minster
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 983
Folio: 69
Page Number: 15
Household Members: Name Age
Emily Buddle 46
Robert Thomas Buddle 17
Amelia Alice Buddle 12
Ruth Buddle 10
Olive Buddle 9
Albert Buddle 6
Bertie Buddle 2



His middle name is Watkins (probably his father's surname) so not finding a Smith connectiion. He can probably be eliminated?

Births Jun 1879 Buddle Bertie Watkins Bridge 2a 727

The above Bertie's mother in 1881

Name: Mary A. Buddle
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: St Nicholas, Kent, England

Civil parish: Staplegate
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address: 22 The Boro
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Blean
Sub-registration district: Sturry
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 961
Folio: 87
Page Number: 26
Household Members: Name Age
David Manning 46
Sarah M. Manning 48
St Henry Fox 12
Percy W. Fox 8
Mary A. Buddle 23

I've been looking through his military record:

British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920

Name: Albert Smith [Albert Townhill]
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Age at enlistment: 35
Birth Parish: Canterbury
Birth County: Kent
Document Year: 1914
Regimental Number: 724
Regiment Name: The Buffs
Number of images: 13

The documents are a mixture of name Smith and Townhill. His mother is named as Mrs Townhill.

Might he have been born Smith and his mother married a Townhill - Albert John then used that name?

Here's Alice's:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Mar 1884
Odell Alice Maud E Dover 2a 1003

Hi , i keep trying to find the birth records of my great grand parents , Albert John Townhill born 1879/80 in Canterbury Kent. Alice Maud O'dell born in Dover Kent 1883/84 . Each time i search it says no records found .Any help appreciated . Alice . :-(

Lynne - I copied and pasted it exactly as I received it.

........and those 4 words is all there was !!!!!!!!!!!!

thank you for all that information . eileen winifred townhill was my mum

Hi Mike,

Is that Alfred or Albert??

PM received from Alice Ann...

" alfred john / alice maud "

Possible death of Albert J Townhill:
Name: Albert J Townhill
Death Registration Month/Year: 1946
Age at death (estimated): 67
Registration district: Dover
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 5b
Page: 555

Possible death of Alice M Townhill
Name: Alice M Townhill
Death Registration Month/Year: 1950
Age at death (estimated): 67
Registration district: Dover
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 5b
Page: 513

RECAP:

Albert John Townhill marries Alice Maud Odell in 1906

they have three children by the time of the 1911 census -
Ella May
Lillian Rose
Albert John

Eileen W Townhill is born in 1913

Eileen W Townhill marries John W Sabin in 1934

they have the following children
Kenneth J
James P
Maureen P
Ruby K
Eileen M
Alice A
Susan P

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1906 (>99%)
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ODELL Alice Maud Dover 2a 2289
Seager Angela Lucy Dover 2a 2289
Tighe Vincent Augustine Dover 2a 2289
TOWNHILL Albert Dover 2a 2289

1911 census showing granparents:

TOWNHILL, Albert John Head Married M 31 1880 Sinker Canterbury Kent VIEW
TOWNHILL, Alice Maud Wife Married 5 years F 27 1884 Dover Kent VIEW
TOWNHILL, Ella May Daughter F 5 1906 Dover Kent VIEW
TOWNHILL, Lillian Rose Daughter F 3 1908 Dover Kent VIEW
TOWNHILL, Albert John Son M 4 1907 Dover Kent VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
4614 Reference:
RG14PN4614 RG78PN193 RD65 SD2 ED24 SN376

Registration District:
Dover Sub District:
Dover Enumeration District:
24 Parish:
Dover

Address:
3 Virginia Cottages Dodds Lane Dover County:
Kent

Possible marriage of grandparents:

Marriages Sep 1906 (>99%)
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>>> ODELL Alice Maud Dover 2a 2289
Seager Angela Lucy Dover 2a 2289
Tighe Vincent Augustine Dover 2a 2289
>>> TOWNHILL Albert Dover 2a 2289

Eileen's birth:

Births Sep 1913 (>99%)
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Townhill Eileen W (mothers maiden name) O'Dell Dover 2a 2289