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Hi, Erica.
Just to confirm, my comment about the witness being Edgar Ravenhill Sharpe, her brother-in-law, was in answer to Barbara's post on page 1 about not being able to read the names.
Regards
Lynne

Yes, she might well have called herself a widow if living apart from her husband.


Divorce was very rare in those days ........ it was very expensive and very difficult to obtain.


There are numerous examples of spouses living apart, some of them continued to call themselves married, others called themselves widows or widowers, while still otherrs took up with new partners.




sylvia

Lynne, so her father is dead or disappeared.

By the way, when I said marriage certificate in my last post I meant the marriage of Harry and Martha.

Thank you all.

Well the mystery just thickens about Mr Harry Chappelle/Preston.

According to my aunt he died in 1936, so Martha was not a widow in 1891. Would the scandal caused by a divorce/separation have meant she lied and called herself a widow?

He was a vintner at the Royal Albion in Brighton, so there may be an avenue of investigation there. Maybe a professional body?

I can't find an official record of his death though, possibly because I am looking over so many years for so many names. If he changed his name are there official records for that?

Will the marriage certificate give information about his father?

The witness to the marriage for Ada would be Edgar Ravenhill Sharpe - her brother-in-law.

Another lookup at - http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1899
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
CHAPPELLE Elsie SHARPE Edgar R Manchester, Whalley Range, St. Margaret Manchester 111/5/122

Before you send your rellie off chasing this up, you ought to find out where the register is now.
My guess is Manchester library. Check out their website.

Flick's technically right. You can't see a certified copy of this record without paying. It is the original record though. Your rellie can make an uncertified copy. If it had been more recent, you could have paid the vicar for a certified copy. He also sent a copy to the local registrar (this record's now relocated to Manchester), and you can pay the Manchester registrar to make a copy of their copy. The local office also sent a copy of their copy to the GRO, so you can now get a certified copy/image of their copy of the local registrar's copy.

Just to add to marriage found for Ada and Claude in 1904. The witnesses are: Herbert ?( can't read) and looks like Edgar Ravenhill Sharpte. The occupation of Samual Pollard is 'Gentleman'.

Thank you so much. I have just come on briefly to check replies, and will hopefully get time later today/tonight to take it on board.

1851 census -

DENT, John Head Married M 32 1819 Hosier & Glover
Burnley
Lancaster
DENT, Sarah Wife Married F 26 1825
Failsworth
Lancaster
DENT, Robt Samuel Son M 7 1844
Burnley
Lancaster
DENT, James Garside Son M 5 1846
Ardwick
Lancaster
DENT, Martha Jane Daughter F 3 1848
Hulme
Lancaster
DENT, John Son M 0 (7 MOS) 1851
Cheetham
Lancaster
HALL, Hannah F 12 1839 Nurse
N K

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RG number:
HO107 Piece:
2232 Folio:
250 Page:
1

Registration District:
Manchester Sub District:
Cheetham Enumeration District:
1H Ecclesiastical Parish:
Saint Thomas

Civil Parish:
Cheetham Municipal Borough:
Manchester Address:
15, Bank Street, Cheetham, Manchester County:
Lancashire

1861 census -
DENT, John Head Married M 42 1819 Salesman
Burnley
Lancashire
DENT, Sarah Wife Married F 39 1822
Glossop
Derbyshire
DENT, Robert S Son Unmarried M 18 1843
Burnley
Lancashire
DENT, James G Son Unmarried M 15 1846 Scholar
Manchester
Lancashire
DENT, Martha F Daughter F 13 1848 Scholar
Manchester
Lancashire
DENT, John Son M 10 1851 Scholar
Manchester
Lancashire
DENT, Elizabeth M Daughter F 7 1854 Scholar
Manchester
Lancashire
DENT, Harriett Daughter Unmarried F 5 1856 Scholar
Manchester
Lancashire
DENT, Frederick Son M 0 (8M) 1861
Manchester
Lancashire
CLUITT, Elizabeth Servant Unmarried F 21 1840 House Servant
Manchester
Lancashire

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RG number:
RG09 Piece:
2970 Folio:
15 Page:
23

Registration District:
Manchester Sub District:
7 Cheetham Enumeration District:
4 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Cathedral Church

Civil Parish:
Cheetham Municipal Borough:
Manchester Address:
23, Hornby Street, Cheetham, Manchester County:
Lancashire

1871 census -

DENT, John Head M 52 1819 Lancashire
DENT, Sarah Wife F 49 1822 Derbyshire
DENT, Martha Jane Daughter F 22 1849 Lancashire
DENT, Elizh Mary Daughter F 18 1853 Lancashire
DENT, Henriette Daughter F 16 1855 Lancashire
DENT, Fred Son M 11 1860 Lancashire

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RG number:
RG10 Piece:
4062 Folio:
36 Page:
65

Registration District:
Manchester Sub District:
Cheetham Enumeration District:
4 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Cheetham Municipal Borough:
Manchester Address:
Cotham Street, Cheetham, Manchester County:
Lancashire

I think that Martha may have "tweeked" her age a bit??
This is the only birth I can find on FreeBMD -

Births Mar 1848 (>99%)
DENT Martha Jane Chorlton 20 277

Is this death a possibility?

Deaths Dec 1899 (>99%)
Chappell Martha Jane 42 Prestwich 8d 323

?????????????????

If Martha is a widow in 1891 I wonder who and/or where Frank and Harry are?

Can't see any of the Chappell(e)s in 1881..........

Births Dec 1878 (>99%)
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Chappell Elsie Aston 6d 420

Marriages Mar 1899 (>99%)
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Chappelle Elsie Chorlton 8c 937
Emerson Elizabeth Ann Chorlton 8c 937
Sellers Sebastian James Chorlton 8c 937
Sellick Sebastian James Chorlton 8c 937
Sharpe Edgar Ravenhill Chorlton 8c 937


1901 census -


SHARPE, Edgar R Head Married M 26 1875 Electrical Engineer
Blind One Eye Bucknell
Shropshire
SHARPE, Elsie Wife Married F 22 1879
Slightly Deaf Birmingham
Warwickshire

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
3769 Folio:
70 Page:
36

Registration District:
Prestwich Sub District:
Cheetham Enumeration District:
14 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Lukes

Civil Parish:
North Manchester Municipal Borough:
Address:
17, Bignor Street, North Manchester County:
Lancashire

Ada in 1911

Person: POLLARD, Ada
Address: Jesmondene Eastcote Road Pinner

Cost:
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POLLARD, Ada Wife Married F 27 1884 Northenden Lancashire VIEW
POLLARD, Eric Claude Son M 5 1906 West Norwood Surrey VIEW
PARKINS, Ada Servant Single F 18 1893 General Servant Domestic Aston Chirton Buckingham VIEW
NASSAU, Katie Louise Visitor Single F 35 1876 Teacher Of Music Whittlesea Cambridgeshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
7079 Reference:
RG14PN7079 RG78PN347 RD130 SD1 ED12 SN20

Registration District:
Hendon Sub District:
Harrow Enumeration District:
12 Parish

And a further child of the marriage

Births Sep 1913 (>99%)
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POLLARD Brian D Chappelle Hendon 3a 681

1891 census?

DENT, Sarah Head Widow F 71 1820 Living On Private Means
Glossop
Derbyshire
CHAPEL, Marth J Daughter Widow F 35 1856 Hotel Management
Hulme
Lancashire
DENT, Elizabeth M Daughter Single F 27 1864 Living On Private Means
Cheetham
Lancashire
CHAPEL, Elsie Granddaughter F 12 1879 Scholar
Birmingham
CHAPEL, Ada Granddaughter F 8 1883 Scholar
Northenden
Cheshire
WHAITE, Fred A Lodger Single M 59 1832 Picture Dealer
Manchester
Lancashire

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RG number:
RG12 Piece:
3162 Folio:
21 Page:
34

Registration District:
Chorlton Sub District:
Didsbury Enumeration District:
6 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Christchurch

Civil Parish:
Withington Municipal Borough:
Address:
9, Stratford Avenue, Withington County:
Lancashire

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1877
DENT Martha J CHEPPELL Harry Manchester, Chorlton-on-Medlock, St. Clement Manchester 4/1/65

Your relative could view the Parish register......but not the cert

Just for info
Name: Claude Frederic Pollard
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Spouse Name: Ada Chappelle
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 02 Apr 1904
Parish: St Marylebone
County: London
Borough: Westminster
Father Name: Samuel Pollard
Spouse Father Name: Harry Chappelle - wine merchant



1911 he is not athome
PALMER, Lucile Worker Single F 34 1877 Hotel Book Keeper London S W VIEW
GORTON, Christine Visitor Single F 21 1890 Showroom Assistant Cheltenham Glos VIEW
O BRIEN, Rosina Worker Single F 29 1882 Hotel Barmaid Bristol Glos VIEW
GRIFFIN, Henry Servant Single M 21 1890 Hotel Boots Dawley Streop VIEW
SCOTT, Edith Servant Single F 23 1888 Hotel Chambermaid Bath Som VIEW
CERNY, Victor Servant Single M 25 1886 Hotel Waiter Vienna Austria VIEW
FENN, Margaret Servant Single F 22 1889 Hotel Pantry Maid London VIEW
KONIG, Frite Servant Single M 19 1892 Hotel Waiter Bern Switzerland VIEW
ALH, Albert Servant Single M 20 1891 Hotel Kitchen Porter Kenniersdoy Germany VIEW
HENDY, Pauline Servant Widow F 40 1871 Hotel Cook London VIEW
COX, Edward Henry Servant Single M 32 1879 Hotel Hall Porter Bath Som VIEW
GOSLING, May Servant Single M 22 1889 Hotel Electrician And Engineer Kingsdown Bristol VIEW
THORNE, Clare Servant Single F 27 1884 Hotel Chambermaid Stoek Under Ham Som VIEW
SNELGROVE, William Francis Servant Single M 14 1897 Hotel Page Boy Bristol Glos VIEW
HEATH, Richard John Servant Single M 28 1883 Hotel Billiard Worker Waverton Liverpool VIEW
GALLAGHAN, Annie Ellen Worker Single F 26 1885 Hotel Relief Barmaid Beaumaris VIEW
>>>> POLLARD, Claude Married M 32 1879 Professor Of Music Nottingham VIEW
LEWIS, Alfred Visitor Married M 59 1852 Manufacturer U S a America VIEW
LEWIS, Sarah Visitor Married
7 years F 40 1871 Canada VIEW
FLETCHER, Walter L Visitor Single M 33 1878 Engineer Civil Wimborne Dorset VIEW
GORLOTE, Annie Manageress Single F 39 1872 Hotel Manageress Cheltenham Glos VIEW
ROGERS, Daniel Lomack Visitor Married M 43 1868 Dental Surgeon London VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
14851 Reference:
RG14PN14851 RG78PN901 RD319 SD1 ED26 SN254

Registration District:
Bristol Sub District:
Clifton Enumeration District:
26 Parish:
Bristol

Address:
Queens Hotel



Births Dec 1878 (>99%)
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Pollard Claude Frederic Nottingham 7b 271



1911 ??
POLLARD, Ada Wife Married F 27 1884 Northenden Lancashire VIEW
POLLARD, Eric Claude Son M 5 1906 West Norwood Surrey VIEW
PARKINS, Ada Servant Single F 18 1893 General Servant Domestic Aston Chirton Buckingham VIEW
NASSAU, Katie Louise Visitor Single F 35 1876 Teacher Of Music Whittlesea Cambridgeshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
7079 Reference:
RG14PN7079 RG78PN347 RD130 SD1 ED12 SN20

Registration District:
Hendon Sub District:
Harrow Enumeration District:
12 Parish:
Pinner

Address:
Jesmondene Eastcote Road Pinner