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If we start the search from this point, the question will become clear.
Joseph Gardner was b.1866 in Napton. He went on to marry Bessie Large from Southam, she was b.11/10/1874. They married 27/07/1893.

Joseph's Father was Charles Gardner b.1844 in Southam, says he married 14/10/1861, and the question is to WHO??

Any information leading to who the wife maybe, would be greatly recieved.

Where did you get the marriage date from?

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there's this -


Marriages Dec 1861 (>99%)
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Gardner Joseph Southam 6d 931
Smith Elizabeth Southam 6d 931


Relationship - Nephew ?

1871

GARNER, Joseph Head M 31 1840 Northamptonshire VIEW
GARNER, Elizabeth Wife F 27 1844 Warwickshire VIEW
GARNER, Joseph Nephew M 7 1864 Warwickshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG10 Piece:
3219 Folio:
140 Page:
7

Registration District:
Southam Sub District:
Southam Enumeration District:
23 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Stockton Municipal Borough:
Address:
Post Office, Stockton County:
Warwickshire



1881

GARDNER, Joseph Head Married M 39 1842 Quarryman At Lime & Cement Wks
Holder Marston
Warwickshire VIEW
GARDNER, Elizabeth Wife Married F 38 1843
Stockton
Warwickshire VIEW
GARDNER, Joseph Nephew Single M 17 1864 Laborer At Brick Works
Napton
Warwickshire VIEW
SMITH, Mary Ann Jeffs Niece Single F 5 1876 Scholar
Northend
Warwickshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG11 Piece:
3115 Folio:
124 Page:
1

Registration District:
Southam Sub District:
Southam Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Stockton Municipal Borough:
Address:
?, Stockton County:
Warwickshire

have you looked for them on any census

1871?

1871 England Census
about Joseph Garner
Name: Joseph Garner
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Napton, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Stockton
Town: Stockton
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Southam
Sub-registration district: Southam
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Household schedule number: 37
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Garner 31
Elizabeth Garner 27
Joseph Garner 7


Andy

Who was Charles then?

same Joseph as in 1881 census - birth place Alderminster - no sign of a brother Charles


1861

GARDNER, William Head Married M 66 1795 Farm Labourer
Pillerton Priors
Warwickshire VIEW
GARDNER, Ann Wife Married F 55 1806
Charcott
Warwickshire VIEW
>>>>>GARDNER, Joseph Son Unmarried M 21 1840 Farm Labourer
...
Worcestershire VIEW
GARDNER, John Henry Son M 14 1847 Farm Labourer
...
Warwickshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG09 Piece:
2243 Folio:
85 Page:
19

Registration District:
Southam Sub District:
1 Southam Enumeration District:
22 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Stockton Municipal Borough:
Address:
Stockton House, North West, Stockton County:
Warwickshire

1851 - still no Charles - perhaps I've got the wrong family ?


1851

GARDNER, William Head Married M 58 1793 Farmer
Pillerton
Warwickshire VIEW
GARDNER, Ann Wife Married F 46 1805
Long Marston
Gloucestershire VIEW
GARDNER, William Son Unmarried M 15 1836
Alderminster
Worcestershire VIEW
GARDNER, Frederick Son M 14 1837 Ag Lab
Alderminster
Worcestershire VIEW
>>>>>GARDNER, Joseph Son M 11 1840
Alderminster
Worcestershire VIEW
GARDNER, Thomas Son M 10 1841
Alderminster
Worcestershire VIEW
GARDNER, Francis Son M 8 1843
Preston
Gloucestershire VIEW
GARDNER, George Son M 6 1845
Preston
Gloucestershire VIEW
GARDNER, John Henry Son M 4 1847
Eatington
Warwickshire VIEW

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RG number:
HO107 Piece:
2077 Folio:
258 Page:
13

Registration District:
Southam Sub District:
Southam Enumeration District:
14A Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Napton on the Hill Municipal Borough:
Address:
Tomlow Farm, Napton On The Hill County:
Warwickshire

birth of Joseph in 1864, not 1866 ?


Births Dec 1864 (>99%)
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GARDNER Joseph Southam 6d 553



Who were his parents ?

First question was "Where did you get the marriage date from?"
I'm curious how you have an exact date of marriage but no bride's name?

Familysearch: (Same date you give for Charles.)


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ELIZABETH SMITH Pedigree
Female Family


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Marriages:
Spouse: JOSEPH GARDNER Family
Marriage: 14 OCT 1861 Stockton, Warwick, England

The bride could possibly be"Minty" b.1864 from Stockton. I did all this searching about a year ago or so and vividly remember something about a Joseph as a nephew being mentionned but as living with another Joseph, which made it even harder to decipher. So if Joseph was born 1864, was that Napton, if so that makes sense. Charles Gardner was the father of Joseph who was born 1864. And Joseph was a cement burner at the Quarries at Nelson Lime Works in Stockton.
Many thanks to all of you that have submitted information, been al long time since I have looked at this, so please bare with me.

Possible?


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JOSEPH STEPHEN GARDNER Pedigree
Male


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 03 SEP 1863 Southam, Warwick, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: JOSEPH GARDNER Family

Do you have the marriage certificate for Joseph & Bessie, naming his father as Charles?

No I dont, but my late great grandmother told me it was Bessie Large.

I know it's Bessie Large but does the marriage certificate say that Joseph's father was Charles? If not where did you get the name Charles and his marriage date? Because on that date Joseph Gardner married Elizabeth Smith in Stockton.

Sorry not reading properly,I dont have the cert. Minty, was just a wild card, If its the same Joseph and all the facts fit like his job,place of birth,residence then perhaps your right and it was Elizabeth. Are you able to obtain anything on her parents?

Here's Joseph & Bessie in 1901. Joseph states he's born 1866, Stockton.
1901 census
Elm Row, Stockton, Warwickshire
Joseph Gardner, head, 35, cement labourer, born Stockton
Bessie, wife, 27, born Southam
Olive, dau, 4, born Stockton

It certainly looks as if this is the same Joseph in 1891, the nephew of Joseph & Elizabeth. He's a labourer at the lime works. Note that there's a niece with them by the name of Smith which seems to be Elizabeth's niece so she'd be the Elizabeth Smith who married Joseph Gardner. I had thought they must be Joseph Jr.'s parents but evidently not.
1891 census
6 Post Office Lane, Stockton, Warwickshire
Joseph Gardner, head, 57, born Alder Marston
Elizabeth, wife, 49, laundress, born Stockton
Joseph, nephew, 26, labourer at lime works, born Napton
Mary A. Smith, niece, 15, born North End

Amanda - I was quite prepared to bear with you, but your invite to "please bare with me" is so much better.