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Thank you both for your findings, very interesting!!!

Astra, that birthplace is interesting.

The Frederick I found in 1911 was from Worcestershire, which is where Claines is. The Frederick Jan found is from Colwall, Herefordshire (which is fairly close to the border, I think).

Fred. W V Hooper was born in Claines in 1882. 22nd Regiment Vol 916 Page 22

He joined the Army age 14years 1month and was discharged in 1907.
His father is named as William Henry Hooper Old Barracks Warwick.

Frederick's fathers name is William Henry Hooper.

Occupation: Staff Sargeant major army pay department.

Sheer speculation - James and sister Mary?? What is his occupation on marriage cert?

BROWN, Edward Head Single M 50 1861 Brewer Birmingham VIEW
LYNCH, Mary Housekeeper Single F 46 1865 Nil Birmingham VIEW
LYNCH, James Boarder Single M 36 1875 Stove Maker Birmingham VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
18039 Reference:
RG14PN18039 RG78PN1096 RD384 SD2 ED7 SN297

Registration District:
Birmingham Sub District:
All Saints Enumeration District:
7 Parish:
Birmingham

Address:
90 Devonshire Street Birmingham County:
Warwickshire

Sadly I think the 1911 above isn't him:

JENKINS, Ellen Head Widow F 55 1856 Boarding House Keeper Llanystumdwy C O Carnarvon VIEW
JENKINS, Mary Jane Daughter Single F 25 1886 Post Office Clerk Edgbaston Birmingham VIEW
ROBERTS, Jane Sister Of Head Single F 67 1844 Assistant Domestic Llanystumdwy Co Carnarvon VIEW
HOOPER, Frederick Boarder Single M 30 1881 Tourist Agent Clerk Herefordshire Colevall VIEW
BEEDEN, Harry Boarder Single M 21 1890 Tourist Agent's Clerk Singapore Straits Settlements VIEW
MILBURN, Charles Patterson Boarder Single M 37 1874 Law Clerk Newcastle upon Tyne VIEW
SUMMERS, Hugh Boarder Single M 34 1877 Hardware Merchants Pwllheli North Wales VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
17913 Reference:
RG14PN17913 RG78PN1093 RD383 SD3 ED3 SN183

Registration District:
Kings Norton Sub District:
Edgbaston Enumeration District:
3 Parish:
Edgbaston

Address:
30 Varna Road Edgbaston County:
Worcestershire

Does it give his father's name & occupation?

Thank you all for your help/info. Sorry didnt reply straight away, had a break for tea!!!

On Frederick & Florences marriage certificate, dated 19th May 1917.
Frederick was 34 yrs old and he was a clerk/time keeper at a metal works, and they both lived at 36 North Rd, selly oak.

Rachel mentioned that Florence used the wrong age on her second marriage, she might have lopped a few years off to hide that she's older than Frederick.

It'll be interesting to see if Rachel has Frederick's occupation from marriage certificate.

Nice find - should be easy to confirm or exclude with his occupation!

Was Florence living with Frederick before they married?

HOOPER, Frederic Head Married M 28 1883 Music Hall Attendant Worcester Worcestershire
HOOPER, Florence Wife Married 3 years F 27 1884 Birmingham Warwickshire
MORRISS, Beatrice Boarder F 9 1902 Birmingham Warwickshire

RG number: RG14 Piece: 18133 Reference: RG14PN18133 RG78PN1098 RD384 SD4 ED30 SN233

Registration District: Birmingham Sub District: St Martin Enumeration District: 30 Parish: Birmingham

Address: 49 Inge Street Birmingham County: Warwickshire

Edit: I can't at first look see a marriage that ties into the 3 years that they claim.

Can find Florence's mother on 1911 in Kings norton. She is living with Harry (32) and his niece Elsie (14). No sign of Florence so far.

Harriet Wingfield
Relationship to Head of Household Mother
Condition / Years Married Widow
Gender F
Age 70
Estimated Year of Birth 1841
Occupation Non
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Wilsomst North Bham
Enumerator Information
Address 39 North Road Bournbrook
Parish Northfield
Town Bournbrook
Type of Building Private House
Number of Rooms 5
Inhabited Y
Reference RG14PN17864 RG78PN1091 RD383 SD1 ED41 SN80
Administrative County Worcestershire
Registration District Kings Norton
Registration Sub District Kings Norton
Enumeration District 41

Just to get our bearings, Florence in 1891:

WINGFIELD, Charles S Head Married M 49 1842 Spur Maker Birmingham
WINGFIELD, Harriett Wife Married F 49 1842 Birmingham
WINGFIELD, George Son Single M 20 1871 Polisher Birmingham
WINGFIELD, Joseph Son Single M 18 1873 Brassfounder Birmingham
WINGFIELD, Annie Daughter Single F 16 1875 Chainmaker Birmingham
WINGFIELD, Caroline P Daughter F 14 1877 Chainmaker Birmingham
WINGFIELD, Harry Son M 12 1879 Scholar Birmingham
WINGFIELD, Florence R Daughter F 10 1881 Scholar Birmingham
WINGFIELD, James Son M 8 1883 Scholar Birmingham
WINGFIELD, Albert Son M 4 1887 Scholar Birmingham

Registration District: Birmingham Sub District: St George Enumeration District: 20 Ecclesiastical Parish: St Stephens

Civil Parish: Birmingham Municipal Borough: Birmingham

Address: 36, Geach Street, Birmingham County: Warwickshire

I posted the wrong one Jan it was the 1901

Thank you brummiejan

Yes, we had noticed on her second marriage cert she did use her maiden name, Wingfield, and the wrong age. Also have noticed she used 'spinster' as status. Would it be possible to find if the marriage was anulled or if she divorced? if not is was bigamy!!!

Astra, would you mind posting the 1911 again please? Such a co-incidence would like another look.
jan

Used her maiden name for 2nd marriage - quite unusual. I wonder if james died or absconded!

Marriages Jun 1917 (>99%)
Wingfield Florence R Hooper Kings N. 6d 194

Odd
Sorry wrong year

Florence Rosina Wingfield

Age at marriage on certificate is 24 (not sure this is correct??)

Father - Charles Wingfield (Spur Maker)

Many thanks

Rachel

Brummiejan

Thank you for your swift reply.

Florence Rosina Wingfield was born in birmingham in 1881. Her father, Charles and mother Harriet Wingfield.

Hope this helps