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Could you help me please? I've been trying to find the marriage record of my G Granddad Charles Chapman b1853 in Shorditch. I have found him and my G Nan Elizabeth b1858 on the 1881,1891 & 1901 census. On the 1911 Census she is a widow. But no marriage record

Many thanks

Do you have a birth certificate for one of their children, to give Elizabeth's surname before she was married, please?

I have a BC for my their son Charles Chapman b1882 my GDad. On the BC is shows Elizabeth's Surname as Allen.

Thanks

Thank you - back in a minute :-)

There is a marriage in free BMD but it is registered in the December qr of 1865 - they married young :-)

Marriages Dec 1865
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Allen Elizabeth Thrapston 3b 436
Chapman Charles Thrapston 3b 436

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/districts.pl?r=39280142&d=bmd_1293526012

The district Thrapston spans the boundaries of the counties of Huntingdonshire and Northamptonshire



But I cannot see them in 1871.

I don't think that can be them as Charles was born 1853 & Elizabeth b1858 according to the 1881 Census. and they were both born in Shoreditch, London and both living there. On the 1911 Census when asked how long married she has put 31yrs and then this is crossed out because she was a Widow - so they must have married about 1880.


Thanks

Elizabeth would have been 7 in 1865.....or am I missing something.

Regards Vera

They would have been VERY young :-)

Am still searching - ancestry, find my past, and free BMD. Between you, Vera and me, we shall find them :-)

Hopefully Joy :-))

Regards Vera

Just for reference ??????

1871
Elizabeth Allen
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: James Allen
Mother's name: Emma Allen
Gender: Female
Where born: Shoreditch
Civil Parish: St Leonard Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: St Augustine
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Haggerston East
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 107
Household Members: Name Age
James Allen 42
Emma Allen 38
James Allen 19
Sarah Allen 15
Elizabeth Allen 13
William Allen 12
Henry Allen 10
Louisa Allen 6
George Allen 3


Is it her?

Regards Vera

Hi,

Going by her stated birth year and place of birth it could be her . Unfortunately, I don't have a lot of info on her side of the family.

Thanks

I can only think that his surname must have been mistranscribed. I shall keep looking for a little while and then shall have to leave the computer and shall return tomorrow.
In the meantime, Vera may have found it before then .... :-)

Team work, I like it :-)

I think I will also be leaving the computer....getting past my bedtime :-))

Either as Joy says his name has been mistranscribed.....or they never married.

Regards Vera

I appreciate both of your help. It is so frustrating when you have all the info but still can't find it. As you say tomorrow is another day.


Thank you

Before I go - were they in Blackstone Road in Hackney in 1891? Shall look for the reply tomorrow.

Goodnight, Vera and chippychap :-)

For reference:

1881 Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Charles CHAPMAN Head M Male 28 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Boot Maker
Elizabeth CHAPMAN Wife M Female 23 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling 14 Laburnam St
Census Place London, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341087
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0404 / 41
Page Number 14

There is a public tree on ancestry that gives his birth as 11 Apr 1852 - is that correct? and states his wife as Elizabeth Ann Allen - but doesn't give a marriage, bother!

Goodnight :-)

Their address was Blackstone Rd in 1891 - I don't have his bc for some reason, I thought I did, I'll check this out for you. His parents were Robert Chapman & Hannah Whiting.

Goodnight

Just had to have one last look here :-)

If I fail at the former search, at least I have found the marriage for his parents - let me know if you would like the image sent to you from the ancestry site; I like to see their signatures from the parish register :-)

Name: Robert Chapman
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1845
Spouse Name: Hannah Whiting
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 14 Jul 1845
Parish: St James, Shoreditch
County: Middlesex
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Charles Chapman
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Whiting

Hi Joy, yes that would be good, thank you.

Although they may not have been married to each other, maybe one of them was still married to someone else. So this will be my next search. This is the only explanation I can think of !!

Many thanks