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A difficult name to research but I believe the family of Arthur Baker emigrated to Canada aboard the Ship, Royal Gearge which departed from Southampton on 2 Oct 1912. His wife Charlotte, son Athur, aged 20 and daughter Charlotte, aged 12 are thought to have travelled with him. Would anyone have access to any sources which may indicate his port of arrival, the ship was sailing to Quebec/Montreal or indeed any other detail on arrival.

Maurice

Hi Maurice,
Would the son possibly be Arthur Thomas Henry born 14 April, 1892, Plymouth, England?

Edit: Guess not if father's name was Arthur C.F. as per Choccy's post below.

Was hoping this was son Arthur:

7023-25 (Brant Co) Arthur Thomas Henry BAKER, 33, vulcanizer, Plymouth Devon England, Brantford, s/o Arthur Thomas BAKER & Charlotte Lavinia FOX, married Mildred LAND, 25, machine operator, Manchester England, Brantford, d/o Henry LAND & Milbrow MERCER, witn: E. WHITTAKER of 85 West Hill St Brantford & E. LAND of 34 Eagle Ave Brantford, 2 Sept [1925] at Brantford

Also his attestation papers gives mother's name Charlotte.

Passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960

Name: Charlotte BAKER
Date of departure: 2 October 1912
Port of departure: Avonmouth
Destination port: Quebec
Destination country: Canada

Date of Birth: 1901 (calculated from age)
Age: 11
Marital Status:
Sex: Female
Occupation: School
Notes:
Passenger recorded on: Page 1 of 29

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The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -
Mr Arthur C F BAKER

Arthur BAKER

Charlotte BAKER

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Ship: ROYAL GEORGE
Official Number: 125643
Master's name: James Harrison
Steamship Line: Royal Line
Where bound: Montreal, Canada
Square feet: 11603
Registered tonnage: 5685
Passengers on voyage: 986



Passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960

Name: Charlotte BAKER
Date of departure: 2 October 1912
Port of departure: Bristol
Destination port: Quebec
Destination country: Canada

Date of Birth: 1869 (calculated from age)
Age: 43
Marital Status:
Sex: Female
Occupation: Housewife
Notes:
Passenger recorded on: Page 11 of 29

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The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -
Mr Arthur C F BAKER

Arthur BAKER

Charlotte BAKER


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Ship: ROYAL GEORGE
Official Number: 125643
Master's name: James Harrison
Steamship Line: Royal Line
Where bound: Montreal, Canada
Square feet: 11603
Registered tonnage: 5685
Passengers on voyage: 986



Passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960

Name: Arthur BAKER
Date of departure: 2 October 1912
Port of departure: Bristol
Destination port: Quebec
Destination country: Canada

Date of Birth: 1892 (calculated from age)
Age: 20
Marital Status:
Sex: Male
Occupation: Riset Heater
Notes:
Passenger recorded on: Page 11 of 29

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The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -
Mr Arthur C F BAKER

Charlotte BAKER

Charlotte BAKER


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Ship: ROYAL GEORGE
Official Number: 125643
Master's name: James Harrison
Steamship Line: Royal Line
Where bound: Montreal, Canada
Square feet: 11603
Registered tonnage: 5685
Passengers on voyage: 986



Passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960

Name: Mr Arthur C F BAKER
Date of departure: 2 October 1912
Port of departure: Bristol
Destination port: Montreal
Destination country: Canada

Date of Birth: 1894 (calculated from age)
Age: 18
Marital Status:
Sex: Male
Occupation:
Notes:
Passenger recorded on: Page 26 of 29

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The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -
Arthur BAKER

Charlotte BAKER

Charlotte BAKER


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Ship: ROYAL GEORGE
Official Number: 125643
Master's name: James Harrison
Steamship Line: Royal Line
Where bound: Montreal, Canada
Square feet: 11603
Registered tonnage: 5685
Passengers on voyage: 986

I don't think Arthut C F Baker is Arthur junior's father because he was only 18 at time of departure.

No, I'm fairly sure the initials C F was some sort of transciption error in the manifest as his father was actually Arthur Thomas Baker and his mother was definately Charlotte Lavinia Baker(nee Fox) as indicated by Margaret.

It was this initials error of "C F" that prompted me to post a message to see if any additional information was available at the port of arrival which may have helped to confirm my suspicions. I'm almost certain this is the correct family inspite of the error in the manifest so many many thanks to you all for the advice.

Maurice

Margaret,

The son was Arthur Thomas H Baker whose birth was registered in the Jun Q of 1892 in Plymouth, the daughter was Charlotte Ivy V Baker whose birth was registered in 1898 , again in Plymouth.

Am I correct in assuming that Brantford is in Canada ?.

Maurice

Yes, Maurice, Brantford is in Ontario, named after Joseph Brant, a Mohawk chief who fought with the British against those damned Yankees during the Revolutionary War. In appreciation he was given a huge grant of land which later became Brantford.

His sister Molly Brant was a consort of Sir William Johnson by whom she had 8 children. The city where I live was settled by United Empire Loyalists and was originally called Johnstown after Sir William's son Sir John Johnson who lived in the area for a short time. As a matter of fact my children attended Sir John Johnson School which was on Mohawk Drive. We also have one of the few tri-lingual high schools, English/French/Mohawk.

"Welcome/ Bienvenue/ Shekon"

Margaret, many thanks for that information. You mentioned the Attestation Papers of Arthur Thomas hanry Baker, do they provide anything new or indicate was Corps he served with ?.

Maurice

Maurice, attestation papers are free here:

http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-100.01-e.php

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935 about Mrs C Beker
Name: Mrs C Beker
Gender: Female
Age: 43
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Date of Arrival: 10 Oct 1912
Vessel: Royal George
Search Ship Database: View the 'Royal George' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Montreal, Quebec
Port of Departure: Avonmouth, England
Roll: T-4792

Along with Arthur(age 20) and Ivy??(11?) joining husband in Brantford Ontario.

Maureen

Ah, so from what Maureen has found, it looks like Arthur Thomas Baker had sailed before his wife and children, that may provide the explanation behind the Arthur C F Baker who was nothing to do with the family and just happened to sail on the same ship.

Margaret, I did find the Attestation of son Arthur Thomas Baker eventually but it's not the easiest of sites to navigate around, it would suggest that his father Arthur Thomas had probably died before he was enlisted in 1915, giving his mother as Next of Kin.

Many thanks to you all,
Maurice

Just to round things off,this looks like the daughter's marriage. Ancestry has it transcribed as 1907,but it's actually 1917.

Ontario, Canada Marriages, 1801-1926 about Charlotte Ivry Baker
Name: Charlotte Ivry Baker
Birth Place: Plymouth England
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1888 (1898)
Father Name: Thomas Baker
Mother Name: Charlotte Fox
Spouse Name: Albert Edward Nuttycombe
Spouse's Age: 29
Spouse Birth Place: Plymouth England
Spouse Father Name: Benjeman Nuttycombe
Spouse Mother Name: Charlotte Hayes
Marriage Date: 8 Oct 1907 (1917)
Marriage Location: Brant
Marriage County: Brant
Archives of Ontario Microfilm:
She signs as Charlotte Ivy Vera Baker/Ontario Street,Brantford.

Maureen

Thats her Maureen, she was not always easy to track as being named after her mother she was often known as Ivy rather than Charlotte.

Thats brilliant, many thanks,
Maurice

No, no, Maurice, they usually name the mother as next-of-kin on attestation papers. It doesn't necessarily mean that the father was deceased. One case where mothers are more important than fathers!

Albert Edward Nuttycombe's attestation papers are also there. He was born 9 Nov. 1888, Stonehouse, Devon. His next-of-kin is his mother Charlotte Ann, Plymouth, Devon. It says he's married, this was 1914. Curious, when a man was married next-of-kin was his wife.

That is odd Margaret as he didn't appear to marry until 1917 and his wife Charlotte Ivy Baker would have been only 19 in 1917, her birth being registered in 1898 in the Plymouth Dist. Unless of course his 1st wife died between 1914 and 1917.

I don't suppose anyone can suggest a sight which would cover the deaths of these Bakers, I know the America's and Canada records are very dependant on different districts.

Maurice

You could have a go at:
http://brantford.library.on.ca/genealogy/bmd.php#search

(provided that they stayed in the Brantford area...)

Maureen

Canada, Ocean Arrivals (Form 30A), 1919-1924

Name Estimated birth year Birth Place Date of Arrival Port of Arrival Port of Departure Ship Name
View Record
Albert Edward Nuttycombe abt 1890 Plymouth, England 29 1922 Quebec Plymouth, England Antonia
View Record
Charlotte Ivy Nuttycombe abt 1900 Plymouth, England 28 Jun 1922 Quebec Plymouth, England Antonia
View Record
Lily Vera Nuttycombe abt 1919 Brantford, Ontario 1922 Quebec Plymouth, England Antonia
View Record
Vera Ivy Nuttycombe abt 1920 Brantford, Ontario 29 Jun 1922 Quebec Plymouth, England Antonia

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960

Name Age Birth Date Arrival Date Port of Departure Port of Arrival
View Record
Vera Nuttycombe xx 25 Oct 1921 Quebec, Canada Liverpool, England
View Record
Albert Nuttycombe 32 abt 1889 25 Oct 1921 Quebec, Canada Liverpool, England
View Record
Charlotte Nuttycombe 23 abt 1898 25 Oct 1921 Quebec, Canada Liverpool, England
View Record
Lily Nuttycombe 3 abt 1918 25 Oct 1921 Quebec, Canada Liverpool, England

Maurice - re the LAC site: Start at:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/index-e.html

Re which corps did he serve in - easy one there - the Canadian Corps.
On the search for his attestation papers, go to the search help screen.
It tells you 772472 was a 125th bn service #. This unit was in the 14th brigade of the 5th div, but this division was disbanded to use as reinforcements in 1918 before it went to France.

http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/canada-125th-6-nations-bn-cef-cap-badge-by
http://brantford.library.on.ca/genealogy/pdfs/1916courier.pdf

In this case, you'ld have to actually get his service record to see where he landed up.
How to do this is another link on the search help screen.

If you knew which unit he was in, then you could look up its war diaries at:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/archivianet/020152_e.html

A couple of general books on the CEF are:
http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/dhh-dhp/his/oh-ho/detail-eng.asp?BfBookLang=1&BfId=22
http://www.archive.org/details/canada100days00liveuoft