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Hello there, I have just started my family tree and wonder if anyone has any information on George and Mary ( nee Fisher) , Farm labourer from sudbourne in suffolk, pre 1885. Anything would be greatfully received, Thank you....Mark Miller

Is this the family in 1881

Name: George Miller
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary A. Miller
Gender: Male
Where born: Sudbourn, Suffolk, England

Civil Parish: Sudbourne
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street address: Orford Rd
Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Agriculteral labourer

Registration district: Plomesgate
Sub-registration district: Orford
ED, institution, or vessel: 13

Household Members: Name Age
George Miller 37
Mary A. Miller 33
Henery Miller 12
Martha Miller 6
George Miller 4
Bessie Miller 1

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 1887; Folio: 34; Page: 8; GSU roll: 1341455.

Presumably this marriage:
Marriages Jun 1874
Crane Ellen Plomesgate 4a 1035
xxx Fisher Mary Ann Plomesgate 4a 1035
Garrod Henry Plomesgate 4a 1035
xxx MILLER George Plomesgate 4a 1035

What are their Fathers' names from the marriage certificate?

George Miller
Birth 1844
Sudbourne
, Suffolk,
England
Death
Q3 1921
Sudbourne
, Suffolk,
England
Parents & Siblings
No Father No Mother
Spouse & Children
Mary Ann Fisher (1848-1934)
Six Children (-)
Timeline 1844
abtBirth
Age: 17 Residence
Sudbourne,
Suffolk,
England
Agricultural Labourer
Age: 27 Residence
Sudbourne,
Suffolk,
England
1874 Q2Age: 30 Marriage to Mary Ann Fisher
Sudbourne
, Suffolk,
England
Age: 37 Residence
Sudbourne,
Suffolk,
England
Age: 47 Residence
Chillesford, Suffolk,
Age: 57 Residence
Chillesford,
Suffolk,
England
Stockman on Farm
Age: 67 Residence
Chillesford,
Suffolk,
England
Labourer
Q3Age: 77 Death
Sudbourne,
Suffolk,
England
, Death Index: 1916-2005 .
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To make it easier for me to understand I have edited EVEIE's posting:

George Miller
Birth 1844 Sudbourne , Suffolk, England

Death Q3 1921 Sudbourne , Suffolk,
England

Parents & Siblings No Father No Mother

Spouse & Children Mary Ann Fisher (1848-1934) Six Children (-)

Timeline 1844 abtBirth

Age: 17 Residence Sudbourne, Suffolk, England
Agricultural Labourer

Age: 27 Residence Sudbourne, Suffolk, England

1874 Q2Age: 30 Marriage to Mary Ann Fisher Sudbourne , Suffolk, England

Age: 37 Residence Sudbourne, Suffolk, England

Age: 47 Residence Chillesford, Suffolk,

Age: 57 Residence Chillesford, Suffolk, England
Stockman on Farm

Age: 67 Residence Chillesford, Suffolk, England Labourer

Q3Age: 77 Death Sudbourne, Suffolk, England
, Death Index: 1916-2005 .
..
Have you got censuses after 1881?

1871??? possibly George with his widowed mother and siblings..

MILLER, Mary Head F 63 1808 Suffolk VIEW
MILLER, George Son M 27 1844 Suffolk VIEW
MILLER, John Son M 22 1849 Suffolk VIEW
MILLER, Ann Daughter-In-Law F 20 1851 Suffolk VIEW
MILLER, George Son M 0 1871 Suffolk VIEW

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RG number:
RG10 Piece:
1764 Folio:
71 Page:
13

Registration District:
Plomesgate Sub District:
Orford Enumeration District:
7 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Sudbourne Municipal Borough:
Address:
Orford Road, Sudbourne County:


Nicky

And possibly Mary Ann and her family in 1871..??

FISHER, Emily Head F 52 1819 Suffolk VIEW
FISHER, Mary Ann Daughter F 23 1848 Suffolk VIEW Dressmaker
FISHER, Emily Daughter F 21 1850 Suffolk VIEW
FISHER, Fanny Daughter F 18 1853 Suffolk VIEW
FISHER, Robert Son M 14 1857 Suffolk VIEW
CLODD, Sidney Nephew M 22 1849 Suffolk VIEW

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RG number:
RG10 Piece:
1765 Folio:
120 Page:
53

Registration District:
Plomesgate Sub District:
Aldeburgh Enumeration District:
8 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Aldeburgh Municipal Borough:
Address:
Back Street Beach, Aldeburgh County: EDIT.. Is this the address Mary Ann gave on her marriage cert.?
Suffolk

All born Alderburgh Suffolk


nicky

1861...??the same family for George Miller that i posted for 1871..

MILLER, George Head Married M 58 1803 Agricultural Labourer
Deaf Iken
Suffolk VIEW
MILLER, Mary Wife Married F 47 1814
Iken
Suffolk VIEW
MILLER, George Son M 17 1844 Agricultural Labourer
Sudbourne
Suffolk VIEW
MILLER, William Son M 15 1846 Agricultural Labourer
Sudbourne
Suffolk VIEW
MILLER, John Son M 11 1850
Sudbourne
Suffolk VIEW
BROWN, John Boarder Unmarried M 43 1818 Agricultural Labourer
Butley
Suffolk VIEW

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RG number:
RG09 Piece:
1175 Folio:
70 Page:
8

Registration District:
Plomesgate Sub District:
4 Orford Enumeration District:
7 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Sudbourne Municipal Borough:
Address:
9, Marquis Of Hertford Cottage, Sudbourne County:
Suffolk


Nicky

1851...Same family again, but the ages differ to those on later census`s...

MILLER, George Head Married M 41 1810 Farm Labourer
Iken
Suffolk VIEW
MILLER, Mary Ann Wife Married F 40 1811 Farm Labourer Wife
Iken
Suffolk VIEW
KING, James Lodger Unmarried M 66 1785 Farmers Labourer
Sudbourne
Suffolk VIEW
MILLER, Elizabeth Daughter Unmarried F 13 1838 Labourers Daughter
Sudbourne
Suffolk VIEW
MILLER, George Son Unmarried M 10 1841 Labourers Son
Sudbourne
Suffolk VIEW
MILLER, William Son Unmarried M 7 1844 Labourers Son
Sudbourne
Suffolk VIEW
MILLER, John Son Unmarried M 1 1850 Labourers Son
Sudbourne
Suffolk VIEW

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RG number:
HO107 Piece:
1802 Folio:
494 Page:
16

Registration District:
Plomesgate Sub District:
Orford Enumeration District:
8A Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Sudbourne Municipal Borough:
Address:
Hall, Sudbourne County:
Suffolk



Nicky

1841...

MILLER, George M 30 1811 Suffolk VIEW Ag Lab
MILLER, Mary F 30 1811 Suffolk VIEW
MILLER, James M 5 1836 Suffolk VIEW
MILLER, Elizabeth F 2 1839 Suffolk VIEW
CROSBY, Thomas M 75 1766 Suffolk VIEW
EADE, Henry M 20 1821 Suffolk VIEW

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RG number:
HO107 Piece:
1031 Book/Folio:
18 Page:
11

Registration District:
Plomesgate Union Sub District:
Orford Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Sudbourne Municipal Borough:
Address:
Common, Sudbourne County:
Suffolk

Nicky

And possibly the marriage...??

GEORGE MILLER Pedigree
Male Family


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Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Marriages:
Spouse: MARY READ Family
Marriage: 13 OCT 1834 Iken, Suffolk, England



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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.


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Nicky

If Julia has posted the correct family in 1881, and I have posted the correct marriage in 1874, then 'Henery' from 1881 census is born in 1869 which is before the marriage.
Who are you tracking?
Have you got George and Mary's marriage certificate for their Fathers' names so we would know if incorrect families have been found?
Thanks

OMG.... This is the first time I have used this site, and this way of getting help, To say I am shocked that so many people have donated their time for me is an understatement.....I have ordered George Miller's Birth cert. but until it comes through I still cannot seem to find his fathers name. I have the birth cert. of Charles worsip Miller, born, oct 1885, Sudbourne, my Great Grandfather, and his father is stated as George miller and mother Mary ann miller, nee Fisher. ??? I think that Nickydownsouth's addition stating when mary was a widow is correct as 'rumour' passed down through the family say's that George was killed by a Bull on the farm. how can i find this out? but where is charles, could george jnr have maried a mary ann too? Thank you for your help!! Mark...

From the information Evie posted stating George Miller born c1841 died in 1921 then this is probably the death reg. for him. The certificate would confirm his cause of death.

Deaths Sep 1921 (>99%)
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Miller George 79 Plomesgate 4a 910

Presuming these postings all turn out to be the correct family, then yes it looks as though both Georges married a Mary.

Hopefully when you get George born c 1841 cert. it will confirm the findings.

Nicky

You asked where Charles Worsip Miller born c1886 is?

Here he is with parents and siblings in 1891

MILLER, George Head Married M 48 1843 Labourer
Sudbourne
Suffolk VIEW
MILLER, Mary Ann Wife Married F 44 1847
Butley
Suffolk VIEW
MILLER, Martha E Daughter Single F 16 1875
Sudbourne
Suffolk VIEW
MILLER, George Son Single M 14 1877 Agricultural Laborer
Sudbourne
Suffolk VIEW
MILLER, Bessie E Daughter Single F 11 1880
Sudbourne
Suffolk VIEW
MILLER, Edith M Daughter Single F 9 1882
Sudbourne
Suffolk VIEW
MILLER, Charles W Son Single M 5 1886
Sudbourne
Suffolk VIEW
MILLER, Frederick W Son Single M 3 1888
Sudbourne
Suffolk VIEW

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RG number:
RG12 Piece:
1480 Folio:
35 Page:
1

Registration District:
Plomesgate Sub District:
Orford Enumeration District:
4 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Chillesford

Civil Parish:
Chillesford Municipal Borough:
Address:
Work House, Paddle Water, Chillesford County:


Presumed you had these details already as you only seemed to be seeking records before 1881 in your original posting.



Nicky

Thank you Nicky, I was getting a bit confused with all the georges in the family, makes it more fun as they married mary's too.How do I find out about my family before the census? I appreciate your help, as I said this is all new to me..... Mark.

Hi Mark, you need to search parish registers for earlier info....here's a couple of ideas for you.....


Google familysearch.org - they have many old parish records.

Also, try on-line parish clerks sites as there may be one local to the area you are researching.

Don't forget to put the names you are researching into the Search Trees box above to see if anyone else on this site has them in their tree. Ifyou find a connection, you can contact the tree owner. Cx

Thank You for you help Cynthia, I REALLY appreciate it!!! Mark X

Just want to add that although there is a good chance that the information we have all given you is the correct family, its always best to back up your information with certificates.

If you know Charles Worsip Miller is your great grandfather its best to have his birth cert to confirm parents names and mothers maiden name, also then the parents marriage as that will confirm their details and work back that way.

I always try to get birth and marriage certs for all my direct line, grandparents, great grandparents, great great grandparents etc...


With out that information it is all too easy to trace back on the wrong family, especially with a more common name like Miller.


Nicky

Nickydownsouth, Are you saying I'm 'Common'.......Only joking!! You are right, I have Charles Worship Miller's Birth Certificate, and have just had a long conversation with my Auntie Phyllis, Charles's Daughter. Although she has just had her 90th birthday, she has filled in a few gaps for me. I found out tha Hannah Miller, who turned up in the 1901 census, was actually found on the doorstep by Charles's mother Mary, left by a young girl who ran away to london, I can see this is going to be interesting !!! Thank You!!!