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Thanks Pam, I'll look into that.

Peter

It might be worth purchasing the marriage certificate of Jane jnr. to see if that reveals anything.

Ah yes that would seem more likely! Oh, where are you Jane?! The logic would suggest she died between 1851 (When she is in Cheshire with her daughter), and 1861 (when she cannot be found, and her daughter is living with her aunt and uncle) ... Still, I can't see any likely marriage or death at this time.

Peter

Hmmm....may have spoken too soon. It may be this lady's death:
1851
Name: Jane Bratt
Age: 73
Estimated birth year: abt 1778
Relation: Head
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Duddon, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Utkinton
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Registration district: Nantwich
Sub-registration district: Bunbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 106
Household Members:
Name Age
Jane Bratt 73
John Bratt 15
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2170; Folio: 75; Page: 29

Maureen

Hi Maureen and thank you, as your opinion and advice is appreciated!

All the best from Spain,

Peter

Hi Peter,
I think you've found it for sure!! (fingers crossed)

I certainly don't see anyone likely for Jane/marriage or death after that.

Maureen

Jane senior ... could this be her death under a corruption of her name?

Deaths Jun 1856 (>99%)
Bratt Jane Nantwich 8a 195 Scan available - click to view

It is such a shame that ages are not given at this time! Can I confirm that there is no sign of Jane in 1861/1871 etc.

Thanks again

Haha no worries at all about the spelling mistakes! Easily done. Edward Harrison Martin appears quite a bit in the newspapers ... he seems to have been involved in the military in the 1850s. Thank you for the 1891 for Susan Martin ... seems she died in 1925.

Well, thank you again, as I seem to have discovered a great deal about Jane Brett (1843-1875). However, what became of her mother is still a mystery ... any ideas where to look now?

Peter

OOOPS!!! I can't bleeping type,sorry. He's Martin,not Shaw.

Sigh. I think I'd better stick to c and pasting.

Maureen

Despite the errors on this entry, I think this could be Susan Sparrow Martin on the 1891 census

England Census

Name: Susa S Martin
Age: 41
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: West Vale, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Chester
Ecclesiastical parish: St Oswald
Town: Chester
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:
Registration district: Chester
Sub-registration district: Chester Cathedral
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors:
Household Members:
Name Age
Susa S Martin 41 - Widow, Living on Own Means
Marie G Martin 12 - born Madeley, Staffordshire
Percival H Martin 6 - born Madeley, Staffordshire
Mary A Hall 39 - Servant


Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2865; Folio 47; Page 38; GSU roll: 6097975.

Although this is my first post on this thread, I am , like Peter who I have met, an ancestor of the BRETTs so I am very pleased to see all this help! Thank you so much! Both Peter and I wonder how it is that these monied rellies passed us bye. The Auntie Phillis who lived in Farndon , and her daughter, seem to have had money and now this line .....but not Peter & I ...ah well, back to the grindstone!
Barbara

...and another mystery created....I wonder why he is Edward Harrison Shaw ?

One little mystery solved:
Daily News (London, England), Saturday, June 29, 1889; Issue 13488.

Mr Edward Harrison Shaw,for twenty-two years Lord Crowe's agent in Cheshire,died suddenly yesterday,at an hotel in London. He had been to Windsor to visit the Royal Agricultural Show.

Maureen

Edit: Thanks,Pam! Shaw should read Martin. Doh!

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations),1861-1941 about Edward Harrison Martin
Name: Edward Harrison Martin
Probate Date: 7 Aug 1889
Death Date: 27 Jun 1889
Death Place: Stafford, Staffordshire, England
Registry: Lichfield
7 August Administration of the Personal Estate of Edward Harrison Martin late of Bar Hill House Madeley in the County of Stafford Land Agent who died 27 June 1889 at Wood's Hotel Furnival's-Inn Holborn in the County of Middlesex was granted at Lichfield to Susan Sparrow Martin of Bar Hill House Widow the Relict.
Personal Estate £8,817 8s 9d.

Maureen

Edward on 1881 census

1881 England Census

Name: Edward H. Martin
Age: 54
Estimated birth year: abt 1827
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Nantwich, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Madeley
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address: Barr Hill House
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: Occupation: Land Agent (House)

Registration district: Newcastle Under Lyme
Sub-registration district: Newcastle Under Lyme
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: Household Members: Name Age
Edward H. Martin 54
Cecil C. Martin 7 Son
Marian G. Martin 2 Daughter
Clara A. Martin 20 Niece
Sarah Jones 25 Servant, Cook
Ann Talbot 22 Servant, Housemaid
Elizabeth Scragg 19 Servant, Nurse


Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 2701; Folio: 85; Page: 6; GSU roll: 1341647.

This is Edward Martin on the 1861 census

1861 England Census
about Edward H Martin Name: Edward H Martin
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Nantwich, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Madeley
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Newcastle Under Lyme
Sub-registration district: Newcastle Under Lyme
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 23
Household Members: Name Age

Edward H Martin 29 Farmer of 90 acres, Land Agent employing three Labourers
John Stockton 35
Mary Plevin 32
Emma Thickett 19
John Eaton 17


Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1918; Folio: 53; Page: 6; GSU roll: 542887.

Perhaps the fact that he was in London was to do with his job as a Land & Estate Agent.

Edward's second marriage and wife in 1881, with Phyliss (daughter of Jane, showing she had died):

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1877 (>99%)
Elwell Alfred Odell Marylebone 1a 962 Scan available - click to view
Hill Mary Eleanor Marylebone 1a 962 Scan available - click to view
Martin Edward Harrison Marylebone 1a 962 Scan available - click to view
Wilkinson Susan Sparrow Marylebone 1a 962 Scan available - click to view

Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Jane MOSS Head M Female 44 Nantwich
Susan Sparrow MARTIN Visitor M Female 33 Trent Vale, Stafford, England
Phyllis MARTIN Visitor Female 5 Madeley, Stafford, England Scholar
Catherine MADDOCKS Servt U Female 26 Marbury, Cheshire, England Cook Domestic Servt
Sarah ROBERTS Servt Female 25 Overton, Flint, Wales Housemaid Domestic Servt
Hannah HIGLEY Servt Female 18 Hordley, Shropshire, England Nurse Domestic Servt

Source Information:
Dwelling 12 Eaton Road
Census Place Chester St Mary On Hill, Cheshire, England
Family History Library Film 1341851
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3556 / 86
Page Number 30

Ar, thank you Pam, and please excuse me for not reading your post correctly! Thank you so much ... and thank you also MaureeninNY for pointing that out and for finding their children.

Thank you also safc for the marriage but like Alex, I currently agree that this is probably not Jane senior as her parents are Thomas and Phyllis.

It is interesting to see that Jane junior may have the middle name of Roberts as an indicator as to who her father is. It is also nice to see that Jane junior had a daughter named Phylis, as this seems to help validate a connection (which is important as her father would probably not be listed on the marriage certificate). Jane's grandmother and aunt were named Phylis, and Jane and Edward Martin married in the parish where her aunt Phylis lived (Farndon, Cheshire).

This is possible Jane's death ...

Surname Given Name District Volume Page
Deaths Mar 1876
Martin Jane Age 31 Newcastle L. 6b 42

The district Newcastle L. is an alternative name for Newcastle under Lyme and it is in the county of Staffordshire

This also appears to be her husband's death, although I have no idea what he is doing in London:

Deaths Jun 1889 (>99%)
Martin Edward Harrison 61 Holborn 1b 368 Scan available - click to view

So, with this, what became of Jane senior?! Thank you again for this help!

I doubt the Jane Brett and Robert Knowles marriage is correct if the father is stated as Joseph. Her baptism gives parents as Thomas and Phillis.

Name: Jane Brett
Gender: Female
Event Type: Christening
Birth Date:
Christening Date: 06 Aug 1815
Marriage Date:
Banns Date:
Death Date:
Burial Date:
Event Date:
Birthplace:
Christening Place: Wrenbury, Cheshire, England
Marriage Place:
Banns Place:
Death Place:
Burial Place:
Event Place:
Father's Name: Thomas Brett
Mother's Name: Phillis Brett
Principal's Marital Status:
Principal's Residence: , Wrenbury, Cheshire, England
Spouse's Name:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Residence:
Spouse's Father:
Spouse's Mother:
Age:
Image Number: 42
Digital Folder Number: 4003977
Film Number: 1836385