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conflicting names on certificates Goswin/ goswell

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Carol

Carol Report 6 Dec 2010 17:34

Can any one help
I have a marriage cert for a Harriet Goswin born1848 married in 1864 wolverhampton on her birth certificate her mothers maiden name appears as Goswell? I can't find any trace for families of either names as I have no Idea where they came from any help would be greatly appreciated

mac

mac Report 6 Dec 2010 17:46

What is her husbands name on the marriage certificate?

Carol

Carol Report 6 Dec 2010 17:48

John Leighton

mac

mac Report 6 Dec 2010 17:56

The 1871 census has them living at Green Lane, Wolverhampton East:

John Leighton, 26 Coal Miner
Harriet, 24
Ann, 6
William, 4
John, - I think it says 12 months.

All of them born Wolverhampton

1881:
LIGHTON, John Head Married M 37 1844 Coalminer
W'hampton
Staffordshire VIEW
LIGHTON, Harriet Wife Married F 34 1847
W'hampton
Staffordshire VIEW
LIGHTON, William Son Single M 13 1868 Scholar
W'hampton
Staffordshire VIEW
LIGHTON, John Son Single M 11 1870 Scholar
W'hampton
Staffordshire VIEW
LIGHTON, Samuel Son Single M 8 1873 Scholar
W'hampton
Staffordshire VIEW
LIGHTON, Robert Son Single M 6 1875 Scholar
W'hampton
Staffordshire VIEW
LIGHTON, Ann M Daughter Single F 16 1865
W'hampton
Staffordshire VIEW
LIGHTON, Sarah H Daughter Single F 3 1878
W'hampton
Staffordshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG11 Piece:
2794 Folio:
58 Page:
13

Registration District:
Wolverhampton Sub District:
Wolverhampton Western Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Wolverhampton Municipal Borough:
Address:
37, Cobden Lane, Wolverhampton County:
Staffordshire

Carol

Carol Report 6 Dec 2010 18:06

Thanks for that Mac.
I have that info but Can't find her family maiden name Goswin /or Goswell as they appear different on both certificates so I dont know what names to follow I was hoping there would be someone trying to find one of the family names thanks Carol

mac

mac Report 6 Dec 2010 18:08

I can't find a birth registered, but you have her birth certificate? Doesn't it give and area etc? What was her parents names, not having any luck on the 1851/61 census for Harriet, but could try searching using parents names.

Carol

Carol Report 6 Dec 2010 18:20

The marriage Cert for Harriet dated 1864 Wolverhampton Says her maiden name is Goswin her fathers name was John Goswin he was a steel tog maker.
But her Daughters birth certificate shows the mothers maiden name as Goswell

jax

jax Report 6 Dec 2010 18:23

Births Mar 1848 (>99%)
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Goswin Harriet Wolverhampton 17 399

Carol

Carol Report 6 Dec 2010 18:31

Thanks will check that out.

mac

mac Report 6 Dec 2010 18:39

Sorry I've misunderstood, I though you meant you had Harriet's birth certificate.

Carol

Carol Report 6 Dec 2010 18:40

I Have tried putting this info in to check but it says there are no matches for
Harriet Goswin 1848 births This is why I havn't been able to go any further with the names I have tried all censuses too before is the site not registering my requests?

jax

jax Report 6 Dec 2010 18:46

1851
Name: Harriet Gosling
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1848
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: John Gosling
Mother's name: Sarah Gosling
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Wolverhampton
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration district: Wolverhampton Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 1bb
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 63
Household Members: Name Age
John Gosling 32
Sarah Gosling 29
Harriet Gosling 3
Charles Collard 22
Harriet Groom 34
George Groom 14
Ruth Groom 12
Martha Groom 5
Esther Groom 3


jax

jax Report 6 Dec 2010 18:48

1861

Name: Harriot Gosilen
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1848
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: John Gosilen
Mother's name: Sarah Gosilen
Gender: Female
Where born: Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Wolverhampton
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Wolverhampton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration district: Wolverhampton Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 44
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 79
Household Members: Name Age
John Gosilen 40
Sarah Gosilen 39
Harriot Gosilen 13

If you are using Genes then I am not surprised you cannot find them

Looks like his occupation was a silk tie maker in this one

jax

jax Report 6 Dec 2010 18:57

From find my past again a different transcription

1851 census - household transcription
Person: GASLING, Harriet
Address: Steelhouse Lane, Wolverhampton



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GASLING, John Head Married M 32 1819 Cork Screw Maker
Wolverhampton
Staffordshire VIEW
GASLING, Sarah Wife Married F 29 1822 Tin Polisher
Wolverhampton
Staffordshire VIEW
GASLING, Harriet Daughter Unmarried F 3 1848
Wolverhampton
Staffordshire VIEW
COLLARD, Charles Visitor Unmarried M 22 1829 Plumber & Glazier
Wolverhampton
Staffordshire VIEW
GROOM, Harriet Lodger Married F 34 1817 Washerwoman
Wolverhampton
Staffordshire VIEW
GROOM, George Son Unmarried M 14 1837 Locksmith
Wolverhampton
Staffordshire VIEW
GROOM, Ruth Daughter Unmarried F 12 1839
Wolverhampton
Staffordshire VIEW
GROOM, Martha Daughter Unmarried F 5 1846
Wolverhampton
Staffordshire VIEW
GROOM, Esther Daughter Unmarried F 3 1848
Wolverhampton
Staffordshire VIEW

mac

mac Report 6 Dec 2010 19:18

Free BMD has another couple of births, possibly Harriet's siblings but looks like the both died in infancy:

Births Dec 1840 (>99%)
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Goswin Sarah Ann Wolverhampton 17 359

Births Jun 1852 (>99%)
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Goswin Ann Wolverhampton 6b 355

Deaths Jun 1841 (99%)
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Goswin Sarah Ann Wolverhampton 17 247

Deaths Sep 1852 (>99%)
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Goswin Ann Wolverhampton 6b 245

The census search on here is useless, I don't have any other subscriptions but oftet try on findmypast, to get the correct (or probable) spellings for free and then revert back to here & check them out. So it's not just you struggling with the seaches!

atb
Mac

mac

mac Report 6 Dec 2010 19:30

1871 census for info:
John Gosling
Age 52
Estimated Year of Birth 1819
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation
Address Green Lane
District Wolverhampton, Wolverhampton, East
Parish Wolverhampton
Administrative County Staffordshire
Birth Place Staffordshire
Birth County Staffordshire

His occupation is steel tog maker from the original.

Also there was Sarah 53 (Polisher - trays)
and grandson John Leighton 11, born Wolverhampton

Carol

Carol Report 6 Dec 2010 19:37

Thanks for that

I thought some of the info wasn't correct or missing but who do you ask? didn't know where to go next I was getting rather fed up with the site but didn't want to give up youv'e been realy helpful thanks
Carol

jax

jax Report 6 Dec 2010 19:48

With FMP and ancestry you can do wild card searches Like gos* dont think you can do it on Genes

jax

mac

mac Report 6 Dec 2010 19:54

Think this may be John & Sarah 1881 (from FMP), back to being a corkscrew maker.

GOSLIN, Jno Head Married M 63 1818 Corkscrew Maker
Shareshill
Staffordshire VIEW
GOSLIN, Sarah A Wife Married F 59 1822
Darlaston
Staffordshire VIEW
SMITH, Fanny Niece Single F 20 1861 Servant (General) (Dom)
Wolverhampton
Staffordshire VIEW
SMITH, Polly Niece Single F 15 1866 Presser
Wolverhampton
Staffordshire VIEW
SMITH, Martha Niece Single F 0 1881
Wolverhampton
Staffordshire VIEW
NEWMAN, Matilda Boarder Single F 33 1848
Wolverhampton
Staffordshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG11 Piece:
2807 Folio:
49 Page:
14

Registration District:
Wolverhampton Sub District:
Wolverhampton Eastern Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Wolverhampton Municipal Borough:
Address:
8, Derry St, Wolverhampton County:
Staffordshire

mac

mac Report 6 Dec 2010 20:00

Can't see either of them again, but poss deaths on Freebmd:

Deaths Sep 1882 (>99%)
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Gosling Sarah Ann 61 Wolverhampton 6b 315

Deaths Sep 1885 (>99%)
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Gosling John 65 Wolverhampton 6b 285