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Back then & earlier they were just little hamlets, most of the houses didn't have a number or name.

Ann Mackreth was in Flookburgh in 1841 with her parents Thomas (40) ag lab, mother Elizabeth (25), brother John (3) and Elizabeth ( 2months). Can't find them in 1851, but in 1861 Anne Mackerith is in Flookburgh (a cockler) still single and with her Elinor (sister 12) and Mary Alice (sister 4) and Mary Ellen (1, daughter).

In 1861 her mother Elizabeth was a lodger, widow at Lancaster, she was also a cockler.

On the 1871 census, where you have already found Ann & John Burns, a couple of line above them you will find Ann's mother Elizabeth & her daughter Mary Alice.

Mac

Thanks!

86 Main Street

BURNS, John Head Widower M 67 1824 Fishmonger
Allithwaite
Lancashire
BURNS, Edward Son Single M 22 1869 Fisherman
Flookburgh
Lancashire
BURNS, James Son Single M 18 1873 Fisherman
Flookburgh
Lancashire
BURNS, William Son M 17 1874 Fisherman
Flookburgh
Lancashire
BURNS, Hannah Daughter F 13 1878 Scholar
Flookburgh
Lancashire VIEW
BURNS, Elizabeth Daughter F 12 1879 Scholar
Flookburgh
Lancashire

also?

43 Main Street

BURROW, Isabella Head Widow F 80 1811
Allithwaite
Lancashire VIEW
BURROW, Ellen Granddaughter F 13 1878 Scholar
Flookburgh
Lancashire


57 Main Street

BURROW, Joshua Head Married M 53 1838 Fishmonger
Talam
Lancashire
BURROW, Agnes Wife Married F 50 1841
Flookburgh
Lancashire
BURROW, Thomas Son Single M 24 1867 Fisherman
Flookburgh
Lancashire
BURROW, Edward Son Single M 16 1875 Fisherman
Flookburgh
Lancashire
BURROW, John Son Single M 11 1880 Scholar
Flookburgh
Lancashire

Thank you so much for all your help Mac really appreciate it!

Does anyone know how I may be able to find out what number Main Street, Flooksburgh John Burns was living at in 1891? The census gives street name but no number. Have the chance of renting cottage on Main Street for a weekend vist and wish to know how near (or far) away the family lived...

thought so, there are only a few families living in Natland, a tiny village so I would think this birth is highly likely for her.

ANN MACKERETH Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 02 APR 1837 Natland, Westmorland, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: THOMAS MACKERETH Family
Mother: ELIZABETH


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Sheet: 00

Bit more info, the 1861 census you found with John (jnr) at Ulverston has him with Christopher Thornbarrow who would be his half brother - so that would tie in.

The 1881 census given by Mike shows all the children, Edward would be the first of John's. There are 2 more stepchildren who were on the 1871 census Mary E Mackereth and Margaret Mackereth, they were both christened at Cartmel, mother Ann but no father mentioned so I wonder if she was ever actually married?

To find Ann's birth, if she was born Natland, this is in the Kendal registration district, but she would probably have been born pre-registration, so this probably doesn't help much.

Mac

Must have missed this in the Cartmel records, but it ties in with his death & likely age. It's probably only half an hour walk across the sands - so long as the tide is out!

CHRISTR THORNBORROW Pedigree
Male


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Event(s):
Birth: 09 FEB 1794

Christening: 20 JUN 1794 Cartmel, Lancashire, England

Death: 18 JAN 1822

Burial:


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Parents:
Father: CHRISTR THORNBORROW Family
Mother: ANNE HOW


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Batch Number: 8510630
Sheet: 41
Source Call No.: 1395992 Type: Film

Fantastic! you are a super sleuth! don't know area at all so wouldn't know how common it is to move around or even how far it is... the family is certainly full of twists and turns isn't it?
Thank you (again!)

Think I can solve the 1861 census for John & Hannah. There is a christening 16/8/1818 at Beetham (Milnthorpe is in this parish) for Margaret Thornborough, d of Christopher and Hannah. She married Edward Wilson 6/2/1841 at Cartmel, hence she hadn't shown up on the 1841 census with her mother & stepfather.

Don't know if you know this area, but Beetham is across the sands from Cartmel and I've found families moving between the 2 areas on a regular basis, especially if they were fishermen.

Thanks so much for your worK! not going to find family fortune with that lot though ha ha!

I think this my be your Hannah, but the name is Burrow? It's a possibility.

HANNAH BURROW

19 JAN 1795

Christening: 16 APR 1795 Beetham, Westmorland, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: JOHN BURROW Family
Mother: MARGT.


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Batch Number: 7026517
Sheet: 53
Source Call No.: 0538627 Type: Film

Hi Diane,

I've had a quick delve into the Cartmel record transcripts:

John illegit s of Mary Burns of Allithwaite poorhouse born 5/6/1802, christened 14/7/1802. There was no other John christened around this time. It appears he had a sister:
Mary illegit d of Mary Burns of Allithwaite born 2/8/1804, ch 16/9/1804.

No trace of his mothers christening at Cartmel, but looks like she died when they were very young, there is a burial 29/10/1805 for Mary Burns, Sp. of Allithwaite age 27.

The only marriage around the right time for John is:
John Burns ba. husb & Hannah Thornborrow(or Thornbarrow) widow botp by banns on 25/11/1823, witnesses Joseph Grisdale & Philip Birkett.

If this is the correct marriage, Hannah was born Borrow and married Christopher Thornborrow a seaman (botp) by licence 24/9/1815, witnesses Jeney Borrow & William Fell. Neither of their christenings at Cartmel.

2 children found to them, Isabella 7/1/1816 (of Holly-well, fisherman) and Christopher 18/3/1821 (of Allithwaite, seaman). Father Christopher buried 18/1/1822 Cartmel.

Looks like John Burns was buried 10/6/1866 (age 67) and Hannah 9/4/1871 (age 77).

Of John & Hannah's children on the 1841 census, the only christenings found are:
John 23/1/1825
Agnes 11/7/1830
Hannah 21/7/1833
No sign of a christening for Christopher (c1826) or Mary (c1829), nor did I find any other children.

The marriages after 1837 aren't transcribed, so I couldn't easily check them, think you would need to do some research on Freebmd to try to get possible dates for the children's marriages.

Mac

Hi Mac using the info you've just given had a little dig round...John on 1871 with Ann MacKreth looks like right one... on the 1881 census the 2 step children have surname Burns which is where i think i've been thrown out!
Found one entry in1861 for John snr... John and wife Hannah living as father and mother in law to head of house? cant really read entry but heads name looks like edmund wilson???? wife margaret and son john. only prob is john and hannah didn't seem to have daughter margaret?
Very confused!

Hi Mac I have john (1825) in Watery lane ulverston as lodger in 1861 his job is engine driver? not sure if this is right tho! not got john snr yet tho.


Mike thanks they are the family.... cheers for info

Diane

Who is with John on the 1861 census - I can't see him? I think I have him with wife Ann & a couple of step-children on 1871 census - if it is the right person I think she was Ann Mackreth from Natland, Westmorland, as the children have that surname.

Possible birth certs for children

Births Mar 1870
Burns Edward = Ulverston 8e 705


Births Dec 1872
Burns James - Ulverston 8e 713


Births Dec 1874
Burns William - Ulverston 8e 729

Births Dec 1877
Burns Hannah - Ulverston 8e 757


Births Jun 1878
Burns Elizabeth Jane - Ulverston 8e 844

Was John junior a fisherman ?

Is this the family ?

1881
John BURNS Head M Male 56 Allithwaite, Lancashire, England Fisherman
Ann BURNS Wife M Female 45 Natland, Westmorland, England
John BURNS Son U Male 16 Flookburgh, Lancashire, England Fisherboy
Edward BURNS Son Male 11 Flookburgh, Lancashire, England Scholar
James BURNS Son Male 8 Flookburgh, Lancashire, England Scholar
William BURNS Son Male 6 Flookburgh, Lancashire, England Scholar
Hanah BURNS Daur Female 3 Flookburgh, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth BURNS Daur Female 2 Flookburgh, Lancashire, England
Ann ROBINSON Visitor Female 9 Neston In, York, England Scholar


Dwelling Flookburgh
Census Place Lower Holker, Lancashire, England

That would be fantastic thanks Mac.
Info I am most interested in is Who is the wife of John Burns (son of John and Hannah) Know her first name is Ann but stuck after that and just to confirm their childrens names (had lots of suggestions!)
Also have no info on John Burns snr (b circa 1800) none of the childrens birth records i can find online name mothers maiden name and no idea if he had any siblings.
The family didn't seem to move round much judging by census records, 1891 main street flookburgh, 1871 lower holker and 1841 flookburgh, many addresses not included on other census just village name 'flookburgh'.
Would really appreciate any info you could find out for me.
let me know if you need more info
Thanks again...
Diane x

The online records for Cartmel are incomplete, I have been researching a family from the area and had to use the local records office transcripts for most of the information.

If you like, I'll take a look - was intending to go there later on as it happens, as I am snowed out of work today!

Mac

Thanks everyone, good point Sylvia about using other peoples research am looking into info to double check it. I do have skeleton info i know to be fact which i have done myself
Karen, I have some of that info already but not sure how/if some of the others fit in,,, (may be that families just have same first names and were born similar time!)
Mike I don't have any of that info so not sure if its the right people.
Sylvia, the 1st John Burns you listed in 1851 is defo the right family have checked through census' and can track everyone from 1841 through to 1901 and 1911 when my husbands grandad moved to the wirral, This is the family I am looking into. Found Cartmel Parish records online and have matched some baptisms etc up with info i have but lots of gaps remain!
Thanks again
Diane