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Jean.
Where have you come up with the name ...Turner ...from..and what is this pub/inn you talk of.
Where is this info coming from please?
Please give whatever it is that you have and reasons for thinking this..
Thanks

FMP dont transcribe occupations or exact birth places,just county on 1871,so image has to be looked at,but he is labourer,and remains so as far as I can tell,never down as a coal miner/collier.

Sarah is wife ...Ellen is daughter on 1871,what you on about Ellen?

Sarah is a widow on 1891 and living with son Robert and family on 1891.

I honestly dont think its that one Gins,I think its the one with the Damms on 1871 and as a servant on 1881.
Dont ask why,just a gut feeling...

Where is his birth?
John William Greaves...I cant find one to suit..

I thought it might be but the census I posted defo says Ellen and there are no occupations listed for any of them except the father Robert?

Thats why I posted it. Have you looked at the census on FMP Fans...whats it say?

Thats the same one I posted earlier of 1881.

GREAVES, William Son Single M 15 1866 Wire Hooker
Eckington
Derbyshire

That Derek had a look at and we honestly dont think its him cos he follows through on census as on 1891 being married to Lizzie Kay and living with her parents?

And just taking a pot at this marriage for the parents on the above 1871 I posted



Marriages Jun 1844 (>99%)
------------------------------------------------------------------------
GREAVES Robert Chesterfield 19 405
Hodson Sarah Chesterfield 19 405

What about this one?

1871 England Census
about William Greaves
Name: William Greaves
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Relation: Son
Father's name: Robert Greaves Occ Labourer
Mother's name: Sarah Greaves
Gender: Male
Where born: Eckington, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Eckington
Town: Mosbro
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Registration district: Chesterfield
Sub-registration district: Eckington
ED, institution, or vessel: 7g
Household schedule number: 65
Household Members: Name Age

Robert Greaves 49
Sarah Greaves 45
Ellen Greaves 13
William Greaves 5
Elizabeth A Greaves 3

John William may have been born iligitamate or adopted he may have been know as john William Turner and lived in an inn when he was small
or maybe he just used the name of the people he lived with at the inn???

Hello..it is very late..and i have received a message on my Derbyshire Thread. from Fanny by Gaslight........and i can tell you that Wiliam Greaves son of Robert was born at Eckington Derbyshire............more tomorrow.

Derek

I really dont know where to go on this one now Jean,but if he is NOT that one with father Robert Agri Lab,and I dont really feel he is,and after checking out most everyone else it seems to only leave that one who is a lodger on 1871 and servant on 1881 as then he goes missing and yours appears..

Mary certainly could be a relative of his,mother,aunt or some other,who knows.
I have been trying to find a baptism for that Holmsfield one ,but no luck.
Also asked someone if they might take a look on here as they have Derbyshire Parish records on CD ,but as yet I dont think he has seen my message.

I have contacted decendants of William greaves form holbrook Eckington and he is not my William.

on 1881 census Abraham and Fanny Damms have a lodger one Mary Greaves age 50 born in Brampton Derbyshire. a relative of William do you think?

This one on 1881?FMP dont appear to have that one..!


Name: William Greaves
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Holmsfield, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Bothamsall
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street address: Haughton Park
Education:

Employment status:

View image
Occupation: Farm Serv Indoor
Registration district: East Retford
Sub-registration district: Tuxford

He certainly seems to go missing on later census as born in Holmsfield.

I wonder if this is him and he made up a name for his father?
Just trying to think of all senarios here

1871

DAMMS, Abraham Head M 68 1803 Derbyshire
DAMMS, Fanny Wife F 66 1805 Derbyshire
GREAVES, William Boarder M 6 1865 Derbyshire(Holmesfield)

Registration District:
Chesterfield Sub District:
Dronfield Enumeration District:
9 Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
Holmesfield Municipal Borough:
Address:
Holmesfield, Holmesfield County:
Derbyshire

The only William or John I can find of the right age and birth place/s with father Robert is this one,but Robert has the wrong occupation and stays with that occupation all his life as I followed all census for him,so I dont feel it is him....

1881

GREAVES, Robt Head Married M 59 1822 Gen Lab
Killamarsh
Derbyshire
GREAVES, Sarah Wife Married F 55 1826
Killamarsh
Derbyshire
GREAVES, Robt Son Single M 18 1863 Wire Hooker
Eckington
Derbyshire
GREAVES, William Son Single M 15 1866 Wire Hooker
Eckington
Derbyshire
GREAVES, Elizth A Grand Daughter Single F 13 1868 Scholar
Eckington
Derbyshire

Registration District:
Chesterfield Sub District:
Eckington Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
Eckington Municipal Borough:
Address:
Holbrook Station Rd, Eckington County:
Derbyshire

found a William Greaves on 1871 census a 6yr old boarder living with Abraham and Fanny \damms born Holmsfield derbyshire. The naxt family on the census 1871 census is (thomas Holleby ?) and on the 1881 census this family have a 16 yr old William Greaves working as an indoor servant he was born in holsfield also perhaps this is my William Greaves but I can't find any connections.

1911

GREAVES, John William Head Married M 43 1868 Coal Miner Hewer Eckington Derbyshire
GREAVES, Catherine Wife Married 22 years
F 40 1871 Killamarsh Derbyshire
GREAVES, Sarah Elizabeth Daughter Single F 10 1901 Pleasley Hill Notts
GREAVES, Wilfrid Son M 14 1897 Pony Driver Pleasley Hill Notts
GREAVES, James Roland Son M 12 1899 School Pleasley Hill Notts
GREAVES, David Son M 9 1902 Pleasley Hill Notts
GREAVES, Ellen Daughter F 7 1904 Pleasley Hill Notts
GREAVES, George Ernest Son M 3 1908 Pleasley Hill Notts

Registration District:
Mansfield Sub District:
Mansfield Enumeration District:
19 Parish:
Mansfield

Address:
30 Mansfield Road Pleasley Hill Mansfield County:
Nottinghamshir

1901

GREAVES, William Head Married M 36 1865 Coal Miner Hewer
Cuco
Derbyshire
GREAVES, Catherine Wife Married F 30 1871
Killamarsh
Derbyshire
GREAVES, John Son M 11 1890
Pleasley Hill
Nottinghamshire
GREAVES, Mary Daughter F 9 1892
Pleasley Hill
Nottinghamshire
GREAVES, Sarah E Daughter F 6 1895
Pleasley Hill
Nottinghamshire
GREAVES, Wilfred Son M 4 1897
Moorhaigh
Nottinghamshire
GREAVES, James R Son M 2 1899
Moorhaigh
Nottinghamshire

Civil Parish:
Mansfield Municipal Borough:
Address:
Colliery Houses, Pleasley Hill, Mansfield County:
Nottinghamshire

1891 for ref


GREAVES, William Head Married M 24 1867 Coal Miner
Killamarsh
Derbyshire
GREAVES, Catherine Wife Married F 20 1871
Killamarsh
Derbyshire
GREAVES, John Son M 1 1890
Pleasley Hill
Nottinghamshire

Registration District:
Mansfield Sub District:
Mansfield Enumeration District:
8 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Barnabas

Civil Parish:
Mansfield Municipal Borough:
Mansfield Address:
Cock Lane, Mansfield, Pleasley Hill County:
Nottinghamshire

John William Greaves married Catherine Hallam 1st Sept 1888 \st \johns \church \mansfield His fathers (robert) occupation on marriage certificate is collier.the witnesses are John and Fanny Hallam the address on the certificate is Pleasley Hill which is where Catherine lived.
On 1891 census William is age 24 living at jubilee Cottages Mansfield place of birth Killermarsh.
on 1901 census william is age 36 living at colliery Houses pleasley Hill Mansfield Notts.