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Re all the above information, I unfortunately don't know if he had siblings or the name of his parents so it could be a case of guess work, the only way I think I might find a certificate is if I get an exact date of birth for him and do a GRO Birth Search and pay the £11.50 (if it still is that amount) for them to search the exact date.

update - Staffs archives have his entry in the hospital records when he entered and died there in 1956 but only gives age in years , could anyone else suggest where I might be able to find an exact date of birth from?

"ShirleyI,m getting the hang of it " where is Chipping Norton would this match up with the 1911 census that catherine kindly posted?

Many thanks again everyone!

Births Jun 1879
Etchells Ann Maria - Walsall 6b 688

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ANNA MARIA ETCHELLS :
Christening: 27 APR 1879 St Lawrence,Darlaston Near, Wednesbury, Stafford, England

Parents:
Father: EDWIN ETCHELLS
Mother: ELIZABETH

First child was born in 1907, so with this in mind I had a look at Alfred Smiths born abt. 1874 in Birmingham but living in Staffordshire in 1901 census:-
Date of birth is slightly out but have you considered this one?
Name: Alfred J Smith
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation: Brother
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham

Civil Parish: Smethwick
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address: 80 Roseberry Road

Occupation: Fire Brass Worker

Condition as to marriage: Single

Registration district: Kings Norton
Sub-registration district: Harborne
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 165
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Smith 35
Alfred J Smith 30
Florence M Smith 28
Samuel G Smith 26
Rosetta Smith 24
Millie Smith 22


for info:-
BRAZIER : A person who made or repaired household items made from brass.

as he worked in Munitions wonder if this is him
1901 census
Name: Albert Smith
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Chipping Norton

Civil Parish: Aston Manor
Ecclesiastical parish: Aston by Birmingham St Peter and St Paul
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:39 Sycamore Road

Occupation:GUN MAKER >>>>>>>>>>

Condition as to marriage:Single

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Aston Manor
ED, institution, or vessel: 53
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 20
Household Members: Name Age
John Dudley 37
Adelaide Dudley 33
Beatrice Dudley 10
John Dudley 4
Albert Dudley 6 Months
Albert Smith 27



Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2888; Folio: 61; Page: 4.

Without knowing who his dad was then cant see how you would verify any birth reg
theres several possibles

Name: Albert Smith
Year of Registration: 1874
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Aston (1837-1924)
County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 289

Name: Albert Smith
Year of Registration: 1874
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Aston (1837-1924)
County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 438

Name: Albert Smith
Year of Registration: 1874
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Meriden
County: Warwickshire, West Midlands
Volume: 6d
Page: 447

Aston and Meriden are areas of Birmingham

Have you any idea if Albert had any siblings?

for ref:-

1911
SMITH, Albert Head Married M 37 1874 Tube Brazier Bham Warwkshire VIEW
SMITH, Ann Maria Wife Married 4 years F 32 1879 Darlaston Staffordshire VIEW
SMITH, Gladys Lilian Daughter Single F 3 1908 Darlaston Staffordshire VIEW
SMITH, Phyllis Mabel Daughter Single F 2 1909 Darlaston Staffordshire VIEW
SMITH, John Rolland Son Single M 1 1910 Wednesbury Staffordshire VIEW
ETCHELLS, William Boarder Married M 45 1866 Tube Dresser Wolverhampton Staffordshire VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
17336 Reference:
RG14PN17336 RG78PN1063 RD371 SD5 ED8 SN181

Registration District:
West Bromwich Sub District:
Wednesbury Enumeration District:
8 Parish:
Wednesbury

Address:
42 Addison Street Wednesbury County:
Staffordshire



Ann Maria in 1901
Name: Ann M Etchells
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Edwin Etchells
Mother's name: Elizabeth Etchells
Gender: Female
Where born: Darlaston, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Darlaston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Lawrence
Town: Darlaston
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: Cycle ? Cutter

Condition as to marriage: S

Registration district: Walsall
Sub-registration district: Darlaston
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 46
Household Members:
Name Age
Edwin Etchells 63 - Nut Turner -Bolt
Elizabeth Etchells 62
Ann M Etchells 21

many thanks for your help, Unfortunately no Middle name, my grandmother was born 9th Jun 1907 Darlaston, her father an Iron Planer Albert Smith - married to Ann Maria Etchells of Darlaston Staffs, unfortunately I do not think any legal marrige occured, nothing on IGI, St Catherines, BMD or overseas for them, on his death cert in 1956 4th March Hallam Hospital West Brom he is listed as 82 and on 1911 census is living with children and Ann Maria at 42 Addision street/ Terrace Wednesbury listed as being 37 years old, was told he was born around March or April,
Have applied to Staffs Achives for Hallam Hosp Administration books that start in 1955 as im hoping it has his dob on there!, no mention of his parents unfortunately, know he had two fingers on right hand due to industrial accident in the 1900's but on 1911 disabilities are redacted - don't think it would fall under this column anyway :(.

Just wanted to say a big thankyou for taking the time to look into this, if any one can help in any way?

Was also toying with idea of bigamy as he never as far as I can tell married Ann Maria although 1911 states he has been married for 4 years and my grandma being born in 1907.
other children he had,
Phyllis Mabel 1908
John Roland 1910
Frederick Leslie 1912
William Ernest 1914
Marie Gertrude Theresa 1916
Albert Hector 1917

His occupations vary far and wide!
Iron Planer, tool setter , commercial traveller, hardware shop, watchman, gas tube drawer do not believe he was in great war, as listed as munitons worker on the 1916 birth cert.
Unfortunately his parents were never mentioned to anyone now still living!

Philip, do you know his parent's names at all? - Just with Smith being a not unusual name!

How did you arrive at him - is he a direct ancestor?

Was he just Albert or did he have a middle name ?
and I assume you mean BirminghamUK ?

Looking for Albert smith born in Birminham between 4th March and 2nd April 1874 and his parents. can anyone help?