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Hi Madmeg
Thought I would let you know, I have the death cert for the Thomas Swanwick who died 1854 - his age at death was 52 at shelford, his occupation was Husbandman (some sort of farm worker) the person present at his death was Ann Swanwick - my Thomas was married to Harriet and their daughters were Jane, Martha and Mary, so I do think Thomas who died in the workhouse 1870 is more than likely the correct one, If I can find more on Harriets death this may cast a bit more light on it,
Paul

I think many of us had relatives who died in the Workhouse. It's not till you start researching different branches of your tree that you realise just how common it was to be in the workhouse, have an illegitimate child, live with someone as man and wife without being married etc. etc.

Certainly family stories are not to be ignored, but they often got the facts slightly wrong - so it would still need investigating.

Good luck.

yes I did mean the age was correct and yes I will get that cert, if its worth doing and all that,
the other thing was my granddparents did once say they had had family die in the workhouse, I was a kid at the time so who it was I dont know, don't you just want to kick youself for not being interested at the time

Hi Paul

By "the dob is correct" you must mean he was the right age, cos the death cert wouldn't give a dob.

I'd be sorely tempted to get the death cert of the Thomas who died in 1854. I take your point that he wasn't described as deceased on the marriage of John, but as you say there is no guarantee that he wasn't either.

I'd order it from the local register office, and specifiy that you expect him to be about 46, and the death to have been registered by his wife, or a child, and give any other information you have got. They will probably then ring you up to get any other information to ensure they are issuing the correct certificate. No guarantees, but if I were you, I'd have to have a try. They won't charge if they don't get a match.

The 1870 death has not a lot to make me sure it is the right man.

well as sure as I can be -the dob is correct, he was a frame work knitter and lived in that area he was also born in Keyworth that also matches with the workhouse records of 1861 - I do not see any other thomas swanwicks that anyway near match - it would seem he and his wife Harriet were both on the 1851 census together - I also have the wedding cert of his son John in 1857 it dosn't show Thomas as deceased at that time, I know this is not necessarily that he hadn't died but on other certs of the time it usualy would say so, so I think the 1854 death is wrong, many many thanks for taking time for me-- sorry I took so long to reply -its shift work to blame

How sure are you that the one in the workhouse was the right Thomas?

Deaths Sep 1854 (>99%)
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Swanwick Thomas Bingham 7b 202

I am always astounded by how many people are willing to help on this site - thanks to you all

He died in nottingham union workhouse 14/01/1870 from paralyis (perhapse a stroke) the informant was down as Edward Thurman present at the death
he is also shown on the 1861 census as thos swanwick (that took some finding) in union workhouse, it give his occupation and has him as married? perhaps his wife was also in the workhouse?

Just wondering .......??????

Marriages Dec 1854 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Finns Satimer Nottingham 7b 345
Harriman Emma Nottingham 7b 345
STUBBINS Sidney Edward Nottingham 7b 345
>>>>>>>>>>>Swanwick Harriet Nottingham 7b 345
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EDIT
Maybe not .

Looks like Thomas only died in 1870

Deaths Mar 1870 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Swanwick Thomas - 64 - Nottingham 7b 181

Would be interesting to know who registered his death

just had a bit of a look at that death seems like this was an infant death

Birth: 09 APR 1854
Christening: 12 APR 1854
Death: 16 APR 1854

yes that was the daughter

yes I did spot that one but I thought it was a bit odd being lincoln - I have sent for that cert any way to have a look, many thanks for your reply

Harriot was born in ruddington her daughter was mary swanwick born 1849 nottingham

yes that is the family - its after 1851 i was looking for, death records or an entry for 1861 / 1871census -many thanks for replying

????????????

Deaths Jun 1854 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

SWANWICK Harriett - Lincoln 7a 293

Just for reference:
Births Mar 1849
SWANWICK Mary Ann Nottingham 15 624
Births Mar 1846
Swanwick Martha Nottingham 15 609

Not seeing a birth for either Mary or Martha

She was Mary Ann born 1849.

Maryb

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Is this her ?


HARRIOT MURDIN --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 02 OCT 1808 Radford, Nottingham, England
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Parents:
Father: THOMAS MURDIN
Mother: ELIZABETH


Can't see any female births in 1849 for Stanwick.
What was the daughter's name ?

Just for ref:-

1851
Name: Thomas Swanwick
Age: 46
Estimated birth year: abt 1805
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Harriet Swanwick
Gender: Male
Where born: Kegworth, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Nottingham St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Nottingham
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Registration district: Nottingham
Sub-registration district: St Ann
ED, institution, or vessel: 13d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 134
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Swanwick 46
Harriet Swanwick 42 born: Ruddington, Nottinghamshire
George Swanwick 18
John Swanwick 14
Jane Swanwick 11
Martha Swanwick 5 born: Nottinghamshire
Mary Ann Swanwick 2 born: Nottinghamshire

..............is this them?