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Deborah
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17 Oct 2010 15:52 |
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I am looking for information on my great grandfather , Samuel Howarth, who had a family brand on his arm. (left wrist) Family members still living, remember the marking on him, but can't remember anything about it...only that it was a 'family brand'. Does anyone have any information on what it could have been, was the practice common in the times? They lived most of their married life at 74 Hart Road,Fallowfield. Samuel was from Gorton, Manchester and my great gran Elizabeth Ann Howarth, worked for Par Pemberton. Thanks for any help....Deborah
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Deborah
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17 Oct 2010 16:22 |
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Yes, I am really quite interested in the family brand on his wrist, just wondered if anyone out there knew anything about the practice of putting a family brand on your wrist? I have traced Samuel and Elizabeth through the family Bible, however, I want to know more.... What was Par Pemberton for instance? What did they do there? Was it a factory? Books dealers?? Samuels dob was April-June 1882. He worked at Gorton Tank....his wife was Elizabeth Ann Thompstone. Any information on their parents that I have is very limited.Father was Peter howarth, wife Sarh (last name unknown)c 1851-52.I would love to have more information about the other children of Peter and Sarah....Mary, Thomas ,Elizabeth,Peter and Ethel. Any help at all would be greatly appreciated. Deborah
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brummiejan
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17 Oct 2010 16:50 |
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I think the 1911 answers your question about the workplace - where did you get this name from?:
HOWARTH, Samuel Head Married M 29 1882 Locomotive Labourer Salford Lancashire VIEW HOWARTH, Elizabeth Wife Married 3 years F 26 1885 Assistant In Periodical Book Business Gorton Lancashire VIEW HOWARTH, Alice Daughter F 1 1910 Gorton Lancashire VIEW THOMPSTONE, John Boarder Married M 35 1876 Railway Engine Driver Gorton Lancashire VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 23796 Reference: RG14PN23796 RG78PN1378C RD464 SD2 ED95 SN37 Registration District: Chorlton Sub District: Ardwick Enumeration District: 95 Parish: South Manchester Address: 85 Cross St Gorton County: Lancashire
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brummiejan
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17 Oct 2010 16:55 |
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Samuel was definitely born Salford:
1901 England Census
Name: Samuel Howarth Age: 19 Estimated birth year: abt 1882 Relation: Son Father's Name: Peter Howarth Mother's Name: Sarah A Howarth Gender: Male Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Droylsden Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary County/Island: Lancashire
Registration district: Ashton-under-Lyne Sub-registration district: Audenshaw
Peter Howarth 49 Sarah A Howarth 51 Where born: Macclesfield, Cheshire, England Alfred Garner 21 *Son* Where born: Macclesfield, Cheshire, England Samuel Howarth 19 Peter Howarth 17 Ethel Howarth 11
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brummiejan
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17 Oct 2010 16:58 |
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1911 - I imagine Ethel is their daughter:
HOWARTH, Peter Head Married M 60 1851 Labourer Iron Works Salford Lancashire VIEW HOWARTH, Sarah Ann Wife Married 22 years F 60 1851 House Keeper Macclesfield Cheshire VIEW MELLOR, Tom Boarder Married M 28 1883 Cloth Raiser Openshaw Lancshire VIEW MELLOR, Ethel Boarder Married F 21 1890 Pickle Packer Openshaw Lancshire VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 24381 Reference: RG14PN24381 RG78PN1397 RD468 SD4 ED15 SN218 Registration District: Ashton Under Lyne Sub District: Audenshaw Enumeration District: 15 Parish: Droylsden Address: 112 Fairfield Road County: Lancashire
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brummiejan
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17 Oct 2010 16:59 |
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Peter and Sarah's marriage:
Marriages Dec 1888 (>99%) GARNER Sarah Ann Chorlton 8c 1103 HOWARTH Peter Chorlton 8c 1103
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brummiejan
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17 Oct 2010 17:00 |
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Marriages Dec 1910 (>99%) Howarth Ethel Chorlton 8c 1460 Mellor Tom Chorlton 8c 1460
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Helen
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17 Oct 2010 17:04 |
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1881 England Census about Sarah A. Garner Name: Sarah A. Garner Age: 31 Estimated birth year: abt 1850 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: Alfred Garner Gender: Female Where born: Macclesfield, Cheshire, England Civil parish: Macclesfield County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Street Address: 12 Green Court Condition as to marriage: Married Education:
Employment status: View image Occupation: Silk Piecer Registration district: Macclesfield Sub-registration district: East Macclesfield ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Alfred Garner 49 Sarah A. Garner 31 Richard Garner 8 Caroline Garner 6 Alfred Garner 1
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Helen
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17 Oct 2010 17:06 |
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Marriages Jun 1879
GARNER Alfred Macclesfield 8a 148 Smith Sarah Ann S Macclesfield 8a 148
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Helen
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17 Oct 2010 17:08 |
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1861 England Census about Sarah A Smith Name: Sarah A Smith Age: 10 Estimated birth year: abt 1851 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: William Smith Mother's Name: Mary A Smith Gender: Female Where born: Macclesfield, Cheshire, England Civil parish: Salford Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillip Town: Salford County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address:
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Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Salford Sub-registration district: Greengate ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 107 Household Members: Name Age William Smith 44 Mary A Smith 47 Margaret Smith 19 Caroline Smith 13 Sarah A Smith 10 Mary A Smith 5
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Helen
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17 Oct 2010 17:17 |
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1891 England Census about Samuel Howarth Name: Samuel Howarth Age: 9 Estimated birth year: abt 1882 Relation: Son Father's Name: Peter Howarth Mother's Name: Sarah Ann Howarth Gender: Male Where born: Saford, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Droylsden Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Town: Droylsden County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address:
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Employment status: View image Registration district: Ashton Under Lyne Sub-registration district: Audenshaw ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Peter Howarth 39 Sarah Ann Howarth 41 Mary H Howarth 17 Thomas Hy Howarth 15 Elizabeth Howarth 14 Samuel Howarth 9 Peter Howarth 7 Ethel Howarth 1 Richard Smith 18 Caroline Smith 16 Alfred Gromer 11
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Deborah
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17 Oct 2010 17:18 |
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I got the name from family still living, a cousin. Did you mean the periodical book business?
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Deborah
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17 Oct 2010 17:19 |
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Crest/badge was tatooed on his wrist....what is the wings and forward for?
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brummiejan
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17 Oct 2010 21:03 |
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Wonder who Peter Howarths first wife was then? He has kids born in1874, 1876, 1877, 18821884 and 1890. If he married Sarah Garner, which would explain the child named Garner in the census, who did he marry to sire the other children? Any ideas where I can look? Thanks Deborah
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brummiejan
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17 Oct 2010 21:12 |
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You will need to locate the youngest child - what is the name? jan
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Deborah
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17 Oct 2010 21:16 |
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Ethel Howarth, 1890.
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Helen
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17 Oct 2010 21:17 |
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1881 England Census about Thurza Howarth Name: Thurza Howarth Age: 28 Estimated birth year: abt 1853 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: Peter Howarth Gender: Female Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Droylsden County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address: 198 Manchester Rd Condition as to marriage: Married Education:
Employment status: View image Occupation: Cotton Winder Registration district: Ashton Under Lyne Sub-registration district: Audenshaw ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Peter Howarth 28 Thurza Howarth 28 Mary H. Howarth 8 Thomas H. Howarth 6 Elizabeth Howarth 5 Peter Howarth 1
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Helen
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17 Oct 2010 21:20 |
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England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915 about Thirza Howarth Name: Thirza Howarth Estimated birth year: abt 1852 Year of Registration: 1886 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec Age at Death: 34 District: Chorlton County: Lancashire Volume: 8c Page: 451 (click to see others on page)
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Deborah
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17 Oct 2010 22:06 |
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Thanks so very much.Can I get access to the document you found that on?
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Deborah
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1 Nov 2010 17:08 |
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Hello, I am still looking for anyone with any kind of information on a family brand/tattoo. Does anyone have a family member that would have done this? Was it a common practice to tattoo your family crest on your arm?
Any ideas? Deborah
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