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It makes her sound so mysterious though!
Big Thank-you to you, JaneyCanuck & Rambling Rose, finding George/ Frederick Fell I think has come to a dead end!
Cheers Lynda

My grandmother always said she was born Dundee in Ireland (her geography was'nt much good either). Whether that was what she was told or just a liar we will never know, she was actually born in Stoke Newington.

jax

But getting back to Lambeth, I think that was the right idea to start with.

1881

Name: John Fell
Age: 44
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah Fell
Where born: Chelmsford, Essex, England

>>> Occupation: Bricklayers Labourer

Civil parish: Newington
County/Island: London
Registration district: St Saviour Southwark

John Fell 44
Sarah Fell 44
John T. Fell 20
>>> George Fell 4 - born Newington
Ann Turner 31 (visitor)
Emma Fell 13


matches with:

Births Jun 1876
FELL George Edward St. Saviour 1d 169


Deaths Sep 1884
FELL John 47 St. Saviour 1d 73


1891 in Newington St Mary

Sarah Fell 44
Emma Fell 23
George Fell 15
- occupation: Chem Druggists Assistant
Sarah Fell 11

1871 in Lambeth

John Fell 34 - fireman
Sarah Fell 33
John T Fell 10
Emma Fell 3
Sarah Fell 8 Months
Harrett Cubitt 61
Elonve Cubitt 13

Marriages Dec 1858
CUBBITT Sarah Lambeth 1d 560
FELL John Lambeth 1d 560


I think I might put my money on this one for now.

I have no idea where the "Leeds" birthplace in 1911 would come into it, it just seems improbable.

Births Sep 1867
Fell Emma Eliza Newington 1d 233

Someone here at GR has Emma in their tree (as born 1868, the age calculated from census age).

Alice Bond and Rose Bond from the 1881 household are in an Industrial School in Stapleford, Hertfordshire, in 1891.

Deaths Mar 1886 ?
Bond Susannah 40 Chelmsford 4a 240
Deaths Dec 1884
Bond Arthur 34 Hertford 3a 259

Not having any luck finding that George Fell (possibly Bond?) or Arthur Bond in 1891 ...


It's a possibility. With a childhood like that George Fell had -- father likely died before he was born, mother and stepfather likely died when he was a child -- it wouldn't be surprising if he didn't know the details of his birth and parents.

I would guess that George's age on his first marriage and in the 1911 census are more accurate than the later ages. ("65" at death is kind of a nice round number ...)

George married 17th Jan 1904 and gives his age as 27.

1911 census gives age as 35.

*If* those ages were strictly accurate, his birthday was between Jan 17 and Apr 1.

He would have been 34 on Jan 17, 1911, going by his age at marriage, but he was 35 on Apr 1, 1911. That makes his dob 1876.

But there were only two George Fell births in Q1 and Q2 1876:

Births Jun 1876
FELL George Edward St. Saviour 1d 169
FELL George Herbert Wirral 8a 483

neither in Leeds. The St Saviour one would certainly fit with a Lambeth marriage.


Here's a possibly interesting one in 1881:

Name: George Fell
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1875
> Relation: Step Son
Mother's Name: Susannah Bond
Where born: Westminster

Civil parish: Brickendon
County/Island: Hertfordshire

> Arthur Bond 30 - builder
Susannah Bond 36
George Fell 6
Alice Bond 4
Rose Bond 3
Arthur Bond 2
Eliza Stewart 15


Marriages Sep 1880
BOND Arthur Hertford 3a 529
Fell Susannah Sarah Hertford 3a 529

(three children in 1881 household born before the marriage)


1871 in St George Hanover Square:

George Fell 45 - licensed victualler
Susanna Fell 31 - born Edmonton

Marriages Mar 1871
Fell George St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 453
Turner Susanna Sarah St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 453

Deaths Mar 1872 ?
Fell George 46 Pancras 1b 69

Births Jun 1872 ?
FELL George Frederick Plomesgate 4a 704


Might we have a George who assumed (or said) his father was Frederick, because that was his middle name??

That's a lot of what-if-s, but you never know. ;)

I have the Moriarty info, thats been relatively easy compared to the "Fell" line!
Thanks for helping me!
Regards Lynda

Yes I do have George Ernest Fell's birth certificate 26th Jan 1905 but not Mary Margaret's 1903. George Snr's occupation was a labourer.
Their mother Esther nee Moriarty died 17th October 1909.
Georges occupation is given as a stores porter.
Esther was orphaned as a child, her parents were George Moriarty & Mary McGrath, who married 29th December 1863.

That does look like Esther in 1881.


And this is the younger deceased Frederick Fell in 1881, in Lambeth:

Frederick Fell 44
Caroline Fell 43
Charles Fell 15
John Finch 30
Albert Fell 20

No son George (and no older children in 1871). Strike.

Deaths Sep 1890 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Moriarty George 66 Strand 1b 393

if so possibly family split, Esther to orphanage ...

Name: Emily L Moriarty
[Emily L Reynolds]
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Edward J Reynolds
Gender: Female
Where born: Holloway, London, England

Civil parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Highbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 137
Household Members: Name Age
Edward J Reynolds 57
Bertha J Reynolds 20
Beatrice F Reynolds 16
Arthur W McNealy 28
Emily L Moriarty 27 <<<
Edward W Moriarty 7 Months

Given the Lambeth location just post 1901, I've wondered about these:

Deaths Jun 1891
FELL Frederick 54 Lambeth 1d 266
Deaths Mar 1892
Fell Frederick 63 Lambeth 1d 434

but of the two FFs in Lambeth in 1891 (c1822 and c1837), neither is a bricklayer (retired greengrocer for the former, and I absolutely can't read the latter -- there are four of them on the page and I can't read any of them. Cartman??)

just on an offchance...on marriage for Esther Moriarty ..father George

?

Name: Ester Moriarty
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George Moriarty
Mother's Name: Mary Moriarty
Gender: Female
Where born: London, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Paul Covent Garden
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 43 Hart Street
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Strand
Sub-registration district: St Mary le Strand
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Moriarty 57
Mary Moriarty 38
Emily Moriarty 5
Ester Moriarty 15 months<<<<
William H. Hales 45

Wow I have just noticed the address on the 1911 and I am sure I lived at that address must ring my parents

edit - just looked at birth cert no I lived over the road

jax

I went looking for the marriage of those two Janey... George on the 1901 is down as "Electrician app"
born Islington, Esther born Tiptree heath Essex

Possibly not "another" George and Esther couple, RR.

There's no Esther Moriarty in the 1901 -- and the first known child was born before the marriage.

And there's no other George Fell + Esther marriage.


1891

Name: Esther Moriarty
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation: Orphan
Where born: Westminster, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Marylebone

Presumably coincidental that the two women in charge of the orphanage are Moriarty from Ireland.


Births Sep 1880
MORIARTY Esther St. Giles 1b 643

Deaths Dec 1909
FELL Esther 28 W. Ham 4a 141


But ... the 1901 George Fell is an electrician ...

The Fell+Moriarty marriage was in Lambeth so this looks like the best match for the birth of daughter Mary -- before the marriage:

Births Jun 1903
FELL Mary Margaret Lambeth 1d 287

Might be worth having a known child's birth certificate to veryfi the mother -- do you have George Ernest Fell's, Lynda?

Births Mar 1905
Fell George Ernest Lambeth 1d 310

I'm sure someone has said but there is another George Fell married to an Esther...?

1901
Name: George A Fell
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Esther Fell
Gender: Male
Where born: Islington, London, England

Civil parish: Wood Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Tottenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 84
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 50
Household Members: Name Age
George A Fell 37
Esther Fell 28

I'm suspecting, of course, that he wasn't born George Fell, and his father may have been Frederick but not Fell (Fell being a stepfather), or Fell but not Frederick (Frederick being a stepfather), for example.

In case you don't have it

Name: George Ernest Fell
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1905
Baptism Date: 19 Feb 1905
Father's Name: George Fell ( waiter)
Mother's Name: Esther Fell
Parish or Poor Law Union: Southwark Christ Church
Borough: Southwark

I checked it JC and it does say Leeds

jax