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From http://www.lan-opc.org.uk

Baptisms:
22 Dec 1872 St John the Baptist, New Springs, Aspull, Lancashire, England
John Thomas Livesey - Child of Robert Livesey & Alice
Abode: Aspull
Occupation: Clogger
Baptised by: J. B. Crump
Register: Baptisms 1871 - 1884, Page 7, Entry 55
Source: LDS Film 1885732


Baptisms:
22 Dec 1872 St John the Baptist, New Springs, Aspull, Lancashire, England
Enoch Livesey - Child of Robert Livesey & Alice
Abode: Aspull
Occupation: Clogger
Baptised by: J. B. Crump
Register: Baptisms 1871 - 1884, Page 7, Entry 54
Source: LDS Film 1885732

1851 England Census about Alice Williams
Name: Alice Williams
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas Williams
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Williams
Gender: Female
Where born: Bilston, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Aspull
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: Kirkless Top Row

Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Standish
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Williams 55 - Coal Miner; Flint, Wales
Elizabeth Williams 49 - Formby, Lancashire
Enoch Williams 18 - Coal Miner; Flint, Wales
Thomas Williams 14 - Coal Miner's Waggoner; Lane Ends, Staffordshire
Alice Williams 9
Edward Williams 7 - Scholar; Flint, Wales

1861:
Thomas Williams Elizabeth abt 1799 Flint, Flintshire, Wales Head Aspull, Lancashire
Elizabeth Williams Thomas abt 1803 Formby, Lancashire, England Wife Aspull, Lancashire
Enoch Williams Thomas, Elizabeth abt 1833 Flint, Flintshire, Wales Son Aspull, Lancashire
Margaret Williams Thomas, Elizabeth abt 1835 Lane End, Staffordshire, England Daughter Aspull, Lancashire
Thomas Williams Thomas, Elizabeth abt 1837 Lane End, Staffordshire, England Son Aspull, Lancashire
Alice Williams Thomas, Elizabeth abt 1842 Lane End, Staffordshire, England Daughter Aspull, Lancashire
Edward Williams Thomas, Elizabeth abt 1844 Flint, Flintshire, Wales Son Aspull, Lancashire

Address: Wigan Rd

1871 England Census
Name: John T Livesey
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Robert Livesey
Mother's Name: Alice Livesey
Gender: Male
Where born: Aspull, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Aspull
Town: New Springs
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: Cloggers Shop

Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Aspull
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Livesey 25 - Clogger; Wigan
Alice Livesey 29 - Calico Weaver; Bitston, Staffordshire
Elizabeth A Livesey 3 - Wigan
John T Livesey 1
Ellen Williams 8 - step-daughter; scholar; Aspull

Just love the occupation of his father!

also I think Robert Livesey and Alice Williams could be John Thomas's parents no birth dates though.. they married in st Davids Haig 1866

think chorley marriage is out.. I know now that John Thomas Livesey1872 married Elizabeth Evans b1873 in 1892 at st george thank you everyone now to find parents ,I am sure it's Joshua Evans1849 and Elizabeth 1851 ..I will get certs. crossed fingers hope my guess is right ......... 1911:census
LIVESEY, John Thomas Head Married M 41 1870 Colliery Firman Above Ground Lancashire Aspull
LIVESEY, Elizabeth Wife Married
18 years F 38 1873 Wife Welchpool Wales
LIVESEY, William E Son Single M 12 1899 School Boy Lancashire Aspull
LIVESEY, Margurite D Daughter Single F 2 1909 Child Shotton Co County Durham
LIVESEY, John James Son Single M 0 (5 MONTHS) 1911 Child Shotton Co County Durham
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
30004 Reference:
RG14PN30004 RG78PN1734 RD552 SD1 ED12 SN54omas's father was Robert Livesey c1870 and

the Chorley marriage details from lan-opc.org.uk

Marriage: 5 Nov 1892 St Peter, Chorley, Lancashire, England
John Livesay - 23 Grasser in Bleach Works Bachelor of 17 Charnock Street, Chorley
Elizabeth Bradshaw - 20 Stitcher in Bleach Works Spinster of 81 Botany Brow, Chorley
Groom's Father: Henry Livesay, Deceased, Collier
Bride's Father: James Bradshaw, Weaver
Witness: John Bradshaw; Elizabeth Ellen Charnock
Married by Banns by: Thomas Lund, (Vicar)
Register: Marriages 1852 - 1893, Page 248, Entry 495
Source: LDS Film 1517687

Aha! That's great Jonesey.

Full details of the 1911 that Ozibird has found:

1911:
LIVESEY, John Thomas Head Married M 41 1870 Colliery Firman Above Ground Lancashire Aspull
LIVESEY, Elizabeth Wife Married
18 years F 38 1873 Wife Welchpool Wales
LIVESEY, William E Son Single M 12 1899 School Boy Lancashire Aspull
LIVESEY, Margurite D Daughter Single F 2 1909 Child Shotton Co County Durham
LIVESEY, John James Son Single M 0 (5 MONTHS) 1911 Child Shotton Co County Durham
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
30004 Reference:
RG14PN30004 RG78PN1734 RD552 SD1 ED12 SN54

Registration District:
Easington Sub District:
Wingate Enumeration District:
12 Parish:
Shotton

Address:
25 George St Shotton Colliery County:
Durham

Do you mean Elizabeth? Have you found her birth index? Or do you mean Margaret Doris?

If you are a direct descendant of Margaret you'll need her birth cert somewhere down the track but I think you can be pretty confident of her parents from 1911. They are the only Liveseys living in Easington.

Anyway I suggest you get Elizabeth's & John's marriage as you know that is the one you want. Then you should know if her father is Joshua. I can't find Joshua before 1881 or his marriage.

Also you need to see 1911. I can't check the image for you. If you can't either, update the title of this thread to read something like "Update: 1911 lookup please." Then add something in your first post so they'll look for her in Easington.

When I was checking for her in 1911 she didn't come up as born Welshpool but definitely born somewhere in Wales. I found her through Margaret Doris.
1911:
LIVESEY JOHN THOMAS M 1870 41 Easington Durham
LIVESEY ELIZABETH F 1873 38 Easington Durham
LIVESEY WILLIAM E M 1899 12 Easington Durham
LIVESEY MARGURITE D F 1909 2 Easington Durham
LIVESEY JOHN JAMES M 1910 5 MONTHS Easington Durham


Ozi.

yesssss thats what I call a result she does exist or did ,,,now what do you suggest i do next should I get her birth or marriage cert ...

Is this Margaret?

Births Jun 1909
LIVESEY Margaret Doris Easington 10a 539

Putting born Wales for a Livesey living in Easington on 1911, I get this.

LIVESEY ELIZABETH F 1873 38 Easington Durham

1901 was wigan ..but the Joseph Murphy her daughter Margaret Doris was married to lived in Birtley co Durham maybe the livesey's moved up in the northeast earlier I was only paging down census for wigan and there's loads and loads of Evans's ....oh sorry that wouldn't make any difference only on bmd's my brains not working gonna see what you mean we but shouln't rule the chorley ones out just yet chorley maybe nr Wigan forgive me i'm not making much sense am i ..

Well if the Wigan connection is all you've got I don't think it will be the Chorley couple.

I'd say her name was Evans in the one Jonesey found. You can check the image yourself on freebmd. Click on the spectacles icon.

What does 1911 say for her place of birth?

sorry missed off that this was jonesy's post the marriage..

Was her maiden name Evens or Evans?

Marriages Dec 1892 (>99%)
EVANS Elizabeth Wigan 8c 139
LIVESEY John Thomas Wigan 8c 139

from Joseph murphy1903-1974 marrying Margaret Doris Livesey1909-1974 whose father was John Thomas Livesey married to Elizabeth Evans 1873 they married at st George 1892 John Thomas's father was Robert Liversey c1840 not much I know the welshpool and Wigan connection is all really iv'e had to go on Sorry I am not much help ...

Aren't they more likely to be this couple?

Marriages Dec 1892
LIVESEY John Chorley 8e 796
Marriages Dec 1892
BRADSHAW Elizabeth Chorley 8e 798 [I think the page no is a mistranscription. When you click to view others on the page she's on her own.]

Hopefully you're working back from the known. What IS known and what have others already found? You mention Jonesey in an earlier post.


Ozi

still trying to work it out there is a few alternatives I have found a John Livesey married to an Elizabeth 1873 with 3 children Alfred Florrie and John in 1901 census ?? cant work it out ..the Swaysey suited her but she was Evans married to a John T Livesey the Joshua and Elizabeth for her mother and father sounds good in the past i've ordered a wrong certificate didn't want to make the same mistake with the Livesey's but thanks for your help ...Elaine

Deaths Dec 1887
Evans Joshua 35 Wigan 8c 30

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1891 England Census
Name: Elizabeth A Evans
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Female
Where born: Wigan, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Leigh
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Westleigh
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 1 Strange St [It is not clear on image, but is so on description of enumeration district.]

Occupation: Pupil Teacher

Registration district: Leigh
Sub-registration district: Westleigh
Household Members: Name Age
John Smith 25
Sarah H Smith 24
Annie Smith 2
William Smith 1/12
Elizabeth A Evans 17