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Maureen
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5 Feb 2011 16:08 |
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Hi Jacquie Just found this while doing a search for Harold WIlliam Brounger Pauling, and have a little more to add. (Harold is my 1st cousin, 4 times removed.) There is a book, written by George Tabor (another Pauling relative) called 'The Cape to Cairo Railway', ISBN 0-9544847-0-3. Page 149 refers to Harold dying in 1904 and "... He left his widow Gussie Gordon Davis, of Welsh extraction with a family ..." There is no further mention of her, but you did say your uncle remembers a 'Gussie'. I have 5 children for them and willing to send what (little) detail I have for them (only 'acquired' them in Sep last year).
Regards
Maureen
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Jacquie
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11 Oct 2010 20:27 |
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Thanks Alison I will get on to that tomorrow - just printed it all off and will check what I need to order and the right web sites to do it on, Thanks again Jacquie
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*Alison*
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11 Oct 2010 20:17 |
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yes the death notice should have the childrens names on them, south african death notices seem to include a lot more info than a british death cert, it's definatly worth ordering them Jacquie, there will be loads of other useful info on them aswell.
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Jacquie
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11 Oct 2010 20:02 |
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Thanks very much everyone for your help, I couldn't have found them without you, I have spoken to my uncle and ran the Pauling name past him and he said " no it was more like a Browner, Blonger or Brooner " and If you look at Harolds names (Brounger) seems to be included so I think this confirms that we have the right person/s taking into account the memory of an 80 plus uncle who is going back 75/80 years to his childhood. So thanks again everyone for your interest and assistance much appreciated Jacquie
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JaneyCanuck
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11 Oct 2010 19:19 |
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Yup, those deaths match with the estate papers found in the SA archives that I posted on page 1:
DEPOT KAB SOURCE MOOC TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 6/9/18737 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 5482/51 PART 1 DESCRIPTION PAULING, AUGUSTA MARY FRANCES. NEE DAVIS. ESTATE PAPERS. >> STARTING 19510000 ENDING 19510000
DEPOT TAB SOURCE MHG TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 0 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 6068 PART 1 DESCRIPTION PAULING, HAROLD WILLIAM BROUNGER. >> STARTING 19040000 ENDING 19040000 REMARKS SURVIVING SPOUSE AUGUSTA MARY FRANCES (BORN DAVIS).
Maybe the death notices list children??
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*Alison*
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11 Oct 2010 14:25 |
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Found a death for the mother, Mary Ann Gordon.
Mary Ann Davies - Maiden name - Gordon. Died - 1910.
Also just found this:
Augusta Mary frances Pauling. Maiden Name - Davis. Died - 1951 Harold Willam Brounger pauling. Died - 1904. Spouse - Augusta Mary Frances Davis.
Found this on - http://www.ancestor.co.za
you can order digital images of there death notices from this page!
Good Luck,
Alison.
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JaneyCanuck
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7 Oct 2010 02:15 |
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I would just wonder whether Ancestry has "inferred" the place of death for Harold Pauling from the place of probate, since there isn't a death in the GRO index that I see. I imagine the will was probated in England because there was property there.
No, I see what it is. "Hope" ... Cape of Good. Not Hope, Durham. Twits.
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lulabelle
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7 Oct 2010 02:04 |
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According to the National archives site converting it from 1905 to today's money would make it worth
£2,194,475.05 .
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lulabelle
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7 Oct 2010 01:46 |
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Sorry Janey should have mentioned it was just a guess. Still if you hadn't found all the other info it wouldn't have connected up.
There is also this probate record for Harold
Name: Harold William Brounger Pauling Probate Date: 28 Oct 1904 Death Date: 31 May 1904 Death Place: Hope, Durham, England
Harold Pauling of Rondebosch Cape of Good Hope died 31st May 1904 Probate London 28 October to Augusta Mary Frances Pauling widow Effects £38264 12s. 1d.
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JaneyCanuck
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7 Oct 2010 01:19 |
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lulabelle -- the find was all yours! I'd thought it was Jacquie who had said Pauling and that was how you found it, but of course not, you did it by first names. And it all connected up.
Jacquie, the idea is that we're looking for the information you don't have, and it looks pretty b'dy obvious we've found it, for Augusta!
Come on!
Augusta Mary F Davis born in the right time and place.
Augusta Mary Frances Davis married to Harold Pauling.
Augusta Mary Frances Davis, daughter of a civil engineer, married to a civil engineer.
Augusta Mary Frances Pauling travelling back and forth to/from England and South Africa, around the dates someone remembers seeing Augusta Davis in England.
I do think.
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lulabelle
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7 Oct 2010 01:13 |
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Nice find Janey,
Lou
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Jacquie
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7 Oct 2010 00:35 |
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Again many thanks for the help, I am sorry but I have no idea at all what Augusta's married name was - however I have an Uncle who is in his late 80's who met her as a boy in the 20's/30's and he is trying to remember for me what her married name could have been ( I am not however holding my breath ). Augusta was his father's ( my Grandfather's cousin ) and she visited Newton Abbot in Devon to see him on her trips to England but all my uncle can remember for now is a "rich cousin Gussie" visit and the Rolls made more of an impression than her.. He does not remember ever meeting or hearing anything of her brother Ernest who because of this I suspect as maybe dying as a young man .in SA. Sorry to not be able to confirm the passenger lists details but I will telephone my uncle and try him with the Pauling surname. Thanks again for the interest and help. Jacquie
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JaneyCanuck
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7 Oct 2010 00:28 |
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Could he have been William Ernest Gordon Davis? A search at NAAIRS for Ernest Davis produces a lot about that name.
DEPOT KAB SOURCE MOOC TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 6/9/21220 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 3630/53 PART 1 DESCRIPTION DAVIS, WILLIAM ERNEST GORDON. ESTATE PAPERS. STARTING 19530000 ENDING 19530000
Coincidentally, my one person who ended up in SA was born Henry Rossiter John Monro Coke, but had dropped the Henry and John by the time he settled there, settling on Rossiter M.
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JaneyCanuck
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7 Oct 2010 00:11 |
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Making the husband the person travelling here:
PAULING Harold Unknown M 1898 Southampton South Africa Cape PAULING Harold Unknown M 1898 Southampton South Africa Cape
accompanied on one trip or the other by
PAULING Unknown F 1898 Southampton South Africa Cape PAULING G Unknown M 1898 Southampton South Africa Cape
He apparently died in 1904.
Google
pauling "harold william" cape
to read all about him.
http://www.nzsghamilton.co.nz/obitn-r.htm
Civil Engineer Obituaries
PAULING, Harold William Rway eng-RSA/ZWR 13Aug1864-03May1904 Ed-Capetown,RSA;d-Sth Africa 158 432 1904
http://www.icevirtuallibrary.com/content/article/10.1680/imotp.1904.16704; jsessionid=gf4rso2pg2w9.z-telford-01
# Source: Minutes of the Proceedings, Volume 158, Issue 1904, page 432 , , E-ISSN: 1753-7843
[Obituary. HAROLD WILLIAM PAULING, born the 13th August,1864, on was educated a t t h e Diocesan College a t Cape Town, and after under father, his Mr. H. J. Pauling, he serving a pupilage obtained omployment in the drawing-office of the Cape Government Railways and later, on railway contract work under .his cousin, Mr. Georgc Pauling. I n 1886 he re-entered the Government service as Assistant Engineer on survey and construction work, and in 1889 he was promoted to the grade of District Engineer and placed in charge of the extension to the north of Kimberley...
I'm not sure how you go about seeing the rest, but it may involve paying.
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JaneyCanuck
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7 Oct 2010 00:09 |
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Probably of most interest:
DEPOT KAB SOURCE MOOC TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 6/9/18737 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 5482/51 PART 1 DESCRIPTION PAULING, AUGUSTA MARY FRANCES. NEE DAVIS. ESTATE PAPERS. STARTING 19510000 ENDING 19510000
DEPOT TAB SOURCE MHG TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 0 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 6068 PART 1 DESCRIPTION PAULING, HAROLD WILLIAM BROUNGER. STARTING 19040000 ENDING 19040000 REMARKS SURVIVING SPOUSE AUGUSTA MARY FRANCES (BORN DAVIS).
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JaneyCanuck
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7 Oct 2010 00:05 |
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http://www.national.archsrch.gov.za/sm300cv/smws/sm300dl
Database: All Archives Repositories and National Registers of non-public records
Your query, (augusta) AND (pauling) was located in 14 documents
Results summary:
CSC 2/6/1/249 599 MOTION. PETITION OF AUGUSTA MARY FRANCES PAULING IN RE APPOINTMENT 1904 1904
CSC 2/6/1/249 599 MOTION. PETITION OF AUGUSTA MARY FRANCES PAULING IN RE APPOINTMENT 1904 1904
CSC 2/2/1/303 338 RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS OF PROVISIONAL CASE. AUGUSTA MARY FRANCES 1908 1908
CSC 2/2/1/309 160 RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS OF PROVISIONAL CASE. BARBARA JACOBA MURISON, 1909 1909
CSC 2/2/1/380 421 RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS OF PROVISIONAL CASE. AUGUSTA MARY FRANCES 1922 1922
CSC 2/2/1/450 7 RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS OF PROVISIONAL CASE. AUGUSTA MARY FRANCES 1938 1938
CSC 2/2/1/459 133 RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS OF PROVISIONAL CASE. AUGUSTA MARY FRANCES 1940 1940
CSC 2/2/1/460 31 RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS OF PROVISIONAL CASE. AUGUSTA MARY FRANCES 1941 1941
CSC 2/2/1/464 51 RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS OF PROVISIONAL CASE. AUGUSTA MARY FRANCES 1942 1942
CSC 2/2/1/475 99 RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS OF PROVISIONAL CASE. AUGUSTA MARY FRANCES 1949 1949
MOOC 6/9/18737 5482/51 PAULING, AUGUSTA MARY FRANCES. NEE DAVIS. ESTATE PAPERS. 1951 1951
CSC 2/1/1/536 106 ILLIQUID CASE. E HAYWOOD AND COMPANY VERSUS AUGUSTA MARY FRANCES 1907 1907
CSC 2/1/1/822 7 ILLIQUID CASE. AUGUSTA MARY FRANCES PAULING VERSUS JOHAN ROBERT 1918 1918
MHG 0 6068 PAULING, HAROLD WILLIAM BROUNGER. 1904 1904
Result Pages: 1
When you do that search, you can click on each record to see some details. There is a list linked at the site home page with contact info for each archives depository with the acronym for it (e.g. MHG).
I couldn't believe I got results first time out just now. I've been getting nothing but error messages there for weeks, and fought with it for half an hour last night to get what I awas after. Maybe it's been fixed overnight, maybe I was just lucky and should wish you such luck. ;)
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JaneyCanuck
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6 Oct 2010 23:58 |
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Other voyages that look like her:
PAULING 1867 F 1920 Southampton South Africa Cape PAULING 1867 F 1922 Southampton South Africa Cape
There are numerous other Pauling voyages to SA, and others with no initials but the same birthdate +/- a year that could also be her, before those.
For instance, travelling together in 1896:
PAULING 1867 M 1896 London South Africa Cape PAULING 1867 F 1896 London South Africa Cape
It could be worth buying some kind of credit at FMP to view those passenger records and see whether you can determine who might be travelling with someone likely to be Augusta at some point.
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JaneyCanuck
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6 Oct 2010 23:47 |
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Looks like her travelling out to SA in 1924, and then back after the 1838 trip to England:
PAULING A M 1868 F 1924 Southampton South Africa Cape PAULING A M E 1867 F 1938 Southampton South Africa Durban (Port Natal)
http://www.findmypast.co.uk/passengerListPersonSearchStart.action
No other Pauling travelled with her either time, but I don't pay for access so I can't see whether there was anyone else in her party.
It helps so much if you say the things you know -- the surname of a woman after marriage being a really big important bit of information if you are looking for her!!! Even if it's only a suspected surname, as long as that's clear.
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lulabelle
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6 Oct 2010 23:19 |
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Possible for Augusta
Name: Augusta Mary F Pauling Birth Date: abt 1867 Age: 71 Port of Departure: Durban, South Africa Arrival Date: 2 May 1938 Port of Arrival: Southampton, England Ports of Voyage: Durban [Port Elizabeth] [Cape Town] Ship Name: Dunvegan Castle Search Ship Database: View the 'Dunvegan Castle' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping Line: Union-Castle Mail Steamship Company Ltd Official Number: 164702
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Jacquie
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6 Oct 2010 21:22 |
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Thanks Janey for your help - much appreciated - yes I had found the birth of an Augusta in Axbridge but unsure if it is the correct one and I am awaiting the Birth cert to arrive Ernest - I am afraid middle name isn't known born in South Africa hence my plea for SA help. Augusta's marriage would be not be in the UK but also in South Africa again only verbal family history to go on but believed to be to an industrialist of Dutch or German extraction
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