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JaneyCanuck -
Thankyou for still sparing time to help me even after i broke the rules with the 2 threads, same name thing, i can assure you this wasnt intentional and i will be more careful next time i think about starting a thread.
You are right in saying that i dont have birth certificates for anyone, since a relative on another side of the family told me he had spent around £300 to date on certificates, i wanted to explore other resources until i got really stuck. Looks like it might be a good time to start ordering.
The only thing that makes me think Lena is Eleanor is that the ages match up in census records.
Just for information, and because ive found that the same names run through a few generations, Annie Buffey and John Ross's children included a Catherine, Harry, Clara, Mary and Laura. There were a couple more but i cannot remember and havnt found their births yet.
Anyway, thankyou for helping, you are very kind :o)

I understood why the no birth certificates -- because you can't find the births! ;)

I absolutely agree that Lena in 1901 is Eleanor in 1891. I just think they may have been playing a little fast and loose with names (or a census worker misread, etc.) and "Lena" was really short for "Selina". Possibly someone just assumed it was short for "Eleanor". The quarter of registration matches perfectly with the age of Leaa/Eleanor in the censuses.

My Henry Buffey proposal ... that one from 1881 is in the 1891 census still a brass caster, living with mother Sarah in Aston, shown as single ... but isn't in the 1901 census -- other than if he is the husband of Kate/Katherine, which I'll stick to my theory he is. ;)

You're quite welcome; the multiple threads thing is an unfortunate but not uncommon frustration.

This death matches the age of Peter Brennan in the 1891 census:

Name: Peter Brannon
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Year of Registration: 1902
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 71
District: Birmingham (1837-1924)
County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 101

Just in case you're wanting another certificate. ;)


This seems to be him in 1901:

Name: Peter Brannan
Age: 70
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Where born: Coun By Leeds, Ireland

Civil parish: Derby
County/Island: Derbyshire

District Union Workhouse

Occupation bricklayer's labourer, widowed, and somebody might want to take a shot at reading the place of birth, Ireland. I'm seeing it as

County ____

but what's after that, I don't know. It doesn't resembly an Irish county name I recognize.

I can't see a death for Ann to fit what facts we have. Possibilities are Ann Brannan c1836, died Wrexham Q1 1901, and Ann Brannan c1837, died West Derby 1897. Or Ann Brennan c1840, died Stoke Upon Trent 1896 ...

I hadnt come across the marriage you found with the possible misspelt names, however i have a contact with a lot of similarities in their tree but other bits that dont match at all. I wondered if they have just added any name and marriage including that name without confirming. The one thing i do remember about it is that his Annie Buffeys parents were William Buffey and Katherine Rowan, her fathers name spelt Rohan. Could this be where 'Ruearn'. Also i know for a fact that Annie spoke with an Irish accent, meaning her parents also, maybe this could be the cause of some mistakes with names. I just tried reading the name Ruearn to myself in my best Irish accent and it seemed to make some sense to me :o)

Here's a very odd household in 1871.

Name: Catherine Brannon
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas Brannon
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Birmingham
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire

Thomas Brannon 16 - unmarried, >> brass caster
Mary Brannon 10
Margaret Brannon 9
Catherine Brannon 6
Ann Brannon 2
Elizabeth Brannon 1
Elizabeth Brannon 20 - lodger, widow
Catharine Brannon 35 - lodger, widow

The two adult Brannon women were born in Roscommon, Ireland, all others in Birmingham. The immediate neighbours are bricklayer's labourers.


And that is how the page reads. A census worker has underlined "Head" beside Thomas and put a question mark.


I was looking at this birth:

Births Dec 1868
BRANNON Catherine Ellen W. Derby 8b 266

but I would guess she is this person in 1871:

Name: Kate Brannon
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Elen Brannon
Where born: St Helens, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Eccleston
Town: St Helen
County/Island: Lancashire

Elen Brannon 35 - married, no occupation, born Ireland
Ann Brannon 13
Mart Brannon 8
John Brannon 6
Kate Brannon 5
Mary Brannon 3
Bridget Kildare 73 - lodger

Other people's trees -- unless they can tell you where the info in them came from, they're interesting, but not to be relied on!

I am wondering whether maybe the Ann in the 1891 household was Kate's mother, and Peter her second husband -- or heck, first husband ;) -- so Kate's surname wasn't Br*nnan, that sort of thing. One of those R* variations is a possibility!