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I had this tab open as I went to reboot Firefox just now, and had looked at your earlier thread, so was just curious.

Oh, actually, I see there have been numerous threads, all containing different little drabs of info, one I see with several replies and no response (perhaps you replied by private message). That thread, in 2009, is presumably the one where this birth

Births Mar 1855
Cooke Evelyne Smith Marylebone 1a 468

referred to here

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1205029

(still the multiple posts) "cropped up before".


Patrick 16th February 2010 04:25
I'm looking for any information on Eveline Frances Amelia Lezer QUICK. She was born 4 March 1855 and christened some years later on 28 Feb 1864 at St Anne Soho, Westminster, London. She shows up on the IGI but I'm unable to find any census records relating to her. There is a possibility that she changed her name to Evelyn Ledger COOKE (reason unknown). Does anyone have knowledge of her please.


What that thread doesn't mention (another does) is her marriage:

Marriages Mar 1873
COOKE Evylin Ledger St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 540
Pay George St Geo Han Sq 1a 540

Name: Evelyn Pay
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: George Pay
Where born: St Johns Wood, Middlesex, England
Condition as to marriage: Married

Civil parish: Edmonton
County/Island: Middlesex
Street Address: Bush Hill Park Bush Hill House Coachmans Cott

George Pay 31
Evelyn Pay 26
Albert H. Pay 7
Frederick Pay 3
Evelyn M. Pay 1


Is this the person you are actually trying to trace??

So the search for Charles Quick is based on the hypothesis that Evylin Ledger Cooke who married Pay was Eveline Frances Amelia Lezer QUICK [Lezer probably mistranscribed Leger?] who was baptised 9 yers later as the child of

Marriages Dec 1859
Cooke Frances Hendon 3a 121
Quick Charles Henry Hendon 3a 121

?


It was asked in an earlier thread whether you have the Cooke+Pay marriage certificate, and what it says for the father's name.

Given the configuration of the name Eveline Frances Amelia Lezer [Leger?] Quick / Evylin Ledger Cooke, I would tend to think that the L name was the father's surname and the parents' weren't married. As I said above: The fact that she was baptised as a child of Charles Quick doesn't mean she actually was.

Of course Ann Quick means nothing to you. My question was whether you think it's possible she is Eveline etc., going by a name she acquired somehow in childhood.

My reasons included the fact that there is no other record of Eveline to be found, and the fact that this Ann Quick also doesn't seem to have any other records. When that happens, it's worth considering that this is the person one is looking for. It's the only way I figured out who my gr-grfather really was. Ernest Augustus Monck did not exist before 1881, but before that there was an Ernest Augustus Hill who looked just like him, and who disappeared in 1873. Sure enough, eventually (many months later, actually), enough things added up that the identity between the two was firmly established. If I hadn't searched widely and twigged to the coincidences, and then dug into them, I would still not know what my mother's surname really is. ;)

I have spent quite a lot of time trying to find these people, or any one of them, in 1861. I'm wondering whether the child may have been left, say, with her mother's parents, but no luck on that either.

The fact that she was baptised as a child of Charles Quick doesn't mean she actually was. On the other hand, it's possible that she was his child, but one (or both) of the parents was married to someone else at the time, explaining the delay before they married. All sorts of things are possible and not uncommonly actually happened. Ruling any of them out without investigation wouldn't be wise.


Just to add, for further info:

Births Jun 1853
Quick Ann Clerkenwell 1b 43

-- has independent existence in 1871:

Name: Ann Quick
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relation: Servant
Where born: Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Islington

i.e. is not the one I am referring to in 1871:

Name: Ann Queck
[Ann Quick]
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Relation: Servant
Where born: Sohs, Middlesex, England
[Soho, Middlesex, England]
Civil parish: Clapham

Okay, I still not sure that I abused the rules as I read them. Clearly I've gone wrong somewhere. "oops, sorry, I didn't realize ...".
Ann Quick means nothing to me but I'll keep her in mind.
I think we'll leave it there. Thank you.

"How's one supposed to trace subjects belonging to the same family?"

Um ... by including them in the thread about that family. ;)

"Other researchers", you know, are just other paying users of this site like yourself. We live with the constant (multiple times daily) experience of finding that information in one thread has been "found" all over again by another one of us in another thread about either the same person, or a child, or a parent, or a sibling ... It is extremely frustrating, and we live in the hope that people who use the boards will familiarize themselves with the rules and practices before asking for our help with their questions. We get over it, but I guess we do expect people to say at least "oops, sorry, I didn't realize ...".

Now, any thoughts about that Ann Quick in 1871? There isn't one to match in 1861, or a good match in the births index.

the reason is that when people multi-post fellow researchers are often unaware and duplicate research which is not really fair - we are not giving you a "bashing" or "weighing in", we are trying to help

seems to me this site only exists through the work of fellow researchers as basically GR do nothing to assist other than provide a platform

Sorry I find it hard to understand the rule of only one post per family. How's one supposed to trace subjects belonging to the same family? I wasn't aware that I'd multi posted.
There was no need for other researchers to weigh into this thread and give me a bashing. I guess I'll have to rethink my renewal when it comes up.

you should not have more than one posting on the same family Patrick - this is clearly stated in GR rules - there is also a posting at the head of this board explaining how to post, plus a long running thread by Ginny pleading with people not to post more than once on the same family

Name: Eveline Frances Amelia Lezer Quick
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 28 Feb 1864
Baptism/Christening Place: SAINT ANNE SOHO,WESTMINSTER,LONDON,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 04 Mar 1855
Father's Name: Charles Henry Quick
Mother's Name: Frances
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C06236-2
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 918608
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975


In the IGI in batch number C062362. Lezer being a misreading of Leger, e.g.?


Any chance she went by Ann?

1871

Name: Ann Queck
[Ann Quick]
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Relation: Servant
Where born: Sohs, Middlesex, England
[Soho, Middlesex, England]

Civil parish: Clapham
County/Island: Surrey
Registration district: Wandsworth


Surely you see that knowing there was a child born 1854 is rather significant in searching for Charles and Frances in 1861, since one can search for a child with those parents as an alternative approach ...


The person who made those corrections can also be contacted through Ancestry.

Just for future ref:


Frances details are as follows..
Born C 1827 although several various dates. In Teddington, Surrey. Died 28 Jun 1894 Marylebone, London.

1841 census possibily living at Heathen Street, Kingston, Surrey under the name Fanny.
1871 census living at 11, New Street, Marylebone.
1881 census living with husband Charles at 45, Grove Road, St Marylebone.
1891 census she is a widow living at 43, Grove Road, St Marylebone.

Her father was Richard William Cooke.



What I was looking for was *her birth details* in the census records you had, not directions to where I could go and find them for myself!

Patrick, it really isn't skin off anyone else's nose if you choose to look elsewhere.

What is annoying to other people is when people don't give the information they clearly have, so other members trying to help have to go looking for it all over again, and when people start multiple threads about the same thing.

The father of the children in the 1841 household with mother Charlotte was William Quick.

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html

search for:

surname QUICK
mother's given name CHARLOTTE
all events
dates 1810 to 1840
Devonshire, England, United Kingdon

It gives the baptisms of

William Robert Quick 1821
Elizabeth Fryer Quick 1827
Charles Quick 1824
John Fryer Quick 1822
Robert Glendenning Quick 1830
Charlotte Sophia Quick 1829
Henry Bayly Quick 1826
Fryer Glendenning Quick 1832

So the Charles and Henry in London in 1851 are likely those brothers.

However, the father's name doesn't match with what's on the marriage certificate you have. It's possible Charles simply didn't know his father's name.


At this point, however, it would be nice to know there's an actual reason for hunting for this Charles Quick -- that it isn't just speculated connection with the birth you were enquiring about.

Eveline Frances Amelia Lezer QUICK was the illegitimate daughter of Frances Cooke. She was born Evelyn Smith Cooke but I've learnt she took on the name Quick since my last post.
Sorry you think I've wasted your time. I thought you would be willing to help me. I'll look elsewhere.

Patrick ...............

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1205029

Been wasting my time a bit here.

And presumably you still don't know whether this couple is who you are looking for??

Maybe you could explain *why* you are looking for Eveline Frances Amelia Lezer QUICK, what your connection is with her, as this can also help in searching for information.

Patrick -- for Ancestry, just take out a free 14-day trial subscription and go all around the censuses and add corrections or variations to all your names.

And include an email address (anonymous online permanent like at Gmail) so anyone who does the same search in future can find you.

For instance, you can add Frances's birth surname to her records after her marriage. And of course contact the person who made those corrections to the 1841.

Oh, I see, you can do that for free at the library, good idea.

"1851 census shows a Charles QUICKE as a visitor to the Thornton household at 72, Warwick Street, Saint Georges Hanover Square, Westminster. Also a visitor was a Henry QUICKE aged 25yrs."

And his occupation is decorator. I looked at the image!
Henry is a tailor, born ... St ? Devon.

He seems a reasonable hypothesis -- but note there is no Henry in the 1841 household.

For info, the head of household is

Name: Arne Thornton -- Anne, obviously
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1812
Relation: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: Thelbridge, Devon, England


There are loads of Henry Quick-s in Devon in 1841 aged about 15 who are detached from families, but none in Exeter unfortunately.

Sorry Janey, our messages are crossing. No I haven't been in touch with Ancestry. I don't have a subscription. I use Find my past. I'll pop into the local library and search Ancestry. Thanks.

Thanks for your help and advice, bye from Australia.

Are you in contact with the person who has corrected the name of Chas Quick to Charles Quick in 1841 at Ancestry?

Name: Chas Quick
[Charles Quick]
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1824
Where born: Devon, England

Civil parish: St Sidwell
Hundred: Exeter City
County/Island: Devon

Charlott Quick 44
Wm Quick 20
John Quick 18
Chas Quick 17
Elizth Quick 13
Charlotte Quick 12
Fryar Quick 10 - corrected to Fryer
Wm Renot 20
Edward Harris 20
Wm Fothergill 25

Janey,
Frances details are as follows..
Born C 1827 although several various dates. In Teddington, Surrey. Died 28 Jun 1894 Marylebone, London.

1841 census possibily living at Heathen Street, Kingston, Surrey under the name Fanny.
1871 census living at 11, New Street, Marylebone.
1881 census living with husband Charles at 45, Grove Road, St Marylebone.
1891 census she is a widow living at 43, Grove Road, St Marylebone.

Her father was Richard William Cooke.

Yes, Patrick, that's what many people who post here are hoping to find. Have you calculated the odds of someone related reading your post? Minimal to nil, is the answer.

Have you browsed the board here at all?

I think you are reading the little cave called the Quick "surname board", as many people do when they start, because that's what the management directs them to do. Unfortunately, that way they miss the management's own helpful post, pinned at the top of the Trying to Find board.

Click on Trying to Find, then click on this at the top of it:

"To list the entire trying to find board again **click here**"

You will see where the many unrelated users of this site who offer to help with other users' searches do that. And the helpful post pinned at the top of it.

This is what I'm attempting to do. You got me because it's way past midnight UK time, and I'm in Canada.

You said:

"I have details of his wife (Frances COOKE) "

and I assumed that meant you had her birthdate and place of birth.

I asked because the info in the 1871 and 1881 censuses about the two people is so wildly different for their ages: 57 and 56 in 1881, 40 and 38 in 1871. We expect to see variation from census to census, but that's rather a lot.