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trying to find the father of Thomas Burns who emigrated to Australia in 1857 on the Zemindar
Thomas b1826 in Tallow Waterford
wife Johanna (possibly nee Fitzgerald, Connaught) b 1830
son Thomas (William) b 1856 Devon

only Burns i can find in Tallow is James Burns

thanks Geoff

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might be worth contacting the local church - they seem to keep their own BMD records

Tallow
Very Rev Gerard McNamara, Priest in Charge (1982) Tel 052-60227
Ballyduff Upper, Co. Waterford.
Email: [email protected]
Very Rev Michael Farrell AP (1956) Tel 058-56117/086-2512215
Tallow, Co Waterford
Chairperson Parish Pastoral Council: Ms. Mary Curley
Secretary Parish Pastoral Council: Ms. Anita Ryan
Immaculate Conception Church, Tallow
Weekend and Holyday Masses: (V) 7.30 pm; 9.00am
Cistercian Convent, Glencairn
Sunday and Holyday Mass: 11.00 am

yes think i sent an email there yesterday requesting more information

geoff

emailed Rev McNamara today Ann

geoff

further reading of Zemindar record shows James as dead
so death probably between 1851 and 1857

James's wife still alive and living in Waterford 1857

geoff

bump

any one ?

geoff

not many with the name Burns on Genes i take it ?

geoff

still no reply from the good Rev McNamara - or anyone else for that matter

oh why! was i born a Burns ?

an unpopular lot it seems

no seriously - any help with my search much appreciated

geoff

Geoff..The problem you have is not uncommon due to the actual demographics involved also the surname..You are "Burns" but was that the original or the anglised version of the name..(as transcribed)...? Try widening your search to include "Byrnes".
When it states Tallow... does that mean the within Civil Parish of Tallow or Tallow "Townland" ?
Tallow Civil Parish consists of 28 "Townlands " including Tallow itself....so you need to be finding out exactly which townland your "Burns" were living...
It also didn't follow that the "Ecclesiastical Parishes" (for Church Records) were the same as the Civil Parishes....!!!
Burns are relatively easy compared to O'Brien...!!!
How do you know Thomas' mother was still alive 1857...what was her Christian name...?

regarding James Burns

this is what i have found that could be a possible
Tenant
Family Name 1 BURNS
Forename 1 JAMES
Landlord
Family Name 2 GUMBLETON
Forename 2 RICHD.
Location
County WATERFORD
Barony COSHMORE AND COSHBRIDE
Union LISMORE
Parish TALLOW
Townland KILCALF, WEST
Place Name KILCALF, WEST
Place Type TOWNLAND
Publication Details
Position on Page 38
Printing Date 1851
Act 9&10
Sheet Number 28,33
Map Reference 10

ships record to Australia of the "Zemindar" in 1857 notes the following

Thomas Burns - age 31 - Waterford - RC - R/W = both (father [james] dead - mother [johanna] living waterford)
Johanna Burns - age 27 - Connaught - RC - R/W=no ( william & ellen? - father living in connaught - mother dead)
Thomas Burns - infant (under 1) - Devon

wife of thomas, Johanna's maiden name may have been Fitzgerald

name changed to Byrnes with the birth of James Ernest Byrnes in 1883 (son of young thomas) (some of this family registered as Burns, some as Byrnes, confusing!)

geoff

Geoff...This may be a possibility....

Have found a James "Burns" on Griffiths Valuation 1848-1851 who is listed as leasing land from Richd.Gumbledon Esq. in the Townland of Kilcalf West. Civil Parish of Tallow.
There are 3 other Jas.Burns but they are not for the Tallow CP.

Geoff...My post has somehow crossed with yours...!!

you did well for such a short time though
took me ages to get that far

geoff

just a follow up on that

26130/1883 1883 BYRNES JAMES E T THOMAS W AGNES PENRITH  
29701/1887 1887 BURNS WALTER WILLIAM T RUTH A PENRITH  
30703/1888 1888 BURNS CECIL J THOMAS RUTH PENRITH  
32571/1890 1890 BYRNES NORMAN THOMAS RUTH A ST MARYS  
10745/1892 1892 BURNS JOSEPH P THOMAS W RUTH A CENTRAL CUMBERLAND  
7622/1895 1895 BURNS ARTHUR P THOMAS W RUTH A PARRAMATTA  
24054/1899 1899 BYRNES DOROTHY M THOMAS RUTH A PARRAMATTA  
34879/1901 1901 BURNS MARY K THOMAS W RUTH A PARRAMATTA  

thomas's marriage to ruth was under Burns

geoff

Geoff...I assume all the above details are Aus.?
I will try to see if i can find anything for Kilcalf West....only a few (5) dwellings listed 1901 census so imagine it wasn't a great deal different back ways in the earlier part of the 1800's.
Do you know what the James ...E.T...stood for (1883) ?

james ernest (byrnes) according to his marriage certificate and i assume "T" for thomas [married Una May Jefferay, 11th april 1908]

(strange thing on the marriage certificate was father listed as Thomas Byrnes - not Burns) (there was a couple of insolvency notices in the papers about that era for a Thomas Burns though - perhaps the reason for the name change or just whoever was doing the registration got the spelling wrong - there was a prominent family of Byrnes's in the area apparently not related to us)

geoff

and yes, all those births in nsw

Geoff....Looking again at the NSW list...the names listed are not ones I would associate with RC Burns or Fitzgerald..are you sure they both were RC.
Did they sail from Devon to NSW...?

both listed as RC on ships record

think the Zemindar left from Plymouth

geoff

young thomas burns married agnes neilen at St Nicholas Church Penrith NSW - 20th feb 1882

Roman Catholic

geoff