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I am trying to find any info on a Samuel Lucas & Emily Woliter.
They married in 1905 in the Birmingham area.
Emily's father was called William.
This is all the info i have to go on.

1911 census - household transcription
Person: LUCAS, Samuel
Address: 10 Court 11 Great Russell Street Birmingham

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LUCAS, Samuel Head Married M 30 1881 Polisher Electro Plate Warwickshire Bham VIEW
LUCAS, Emily Wife Married
5 years F 24 1887 Polisher Electro Plate Warwickshire Bham VIEW

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Births Mar 1913 (>99%)
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Lucas Olive Woliter Birmingham 6d 465

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Births Dec 1916 (>99%)
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Lucas Maud B Woliter Birmingham 6d 419

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Births Dec 1919 (>99%)
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Lucas Rose Woliter Birmingham 6d 540



Marriages Dec 1905 (>99%)
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LUCAS Samuel Birmingham 6d 132
WOLITER Emily Birmingham 6d 132

1901

Name: Emily Woliter
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Leeds
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: West Leeds
ED, institution, or vessel: 93
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 84
Household Members: Name Age

Emily in 1901

1901 Census

Name: Emily Woliter
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Leeds
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: West Leeds

John Young Calvert 45 Coffee provider
Emily Jowett Calvert 36
Doris Mary Calvert 2
Caroline Haylett 24 Cook
Florence Mary Blore 22 Waitress
Emily Woliter 19 Kitchen Maid
Clara Goodall 15 Nurse

Address:- Bridge End 12-14



sylvia

1901 England Census about Emily Woleter
Name: Emily Woleter
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1887
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Mary A Woleter
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: All Saints
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 194
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary A Woleter 48
John Woleter 17 >> electro plate worker
George Woleter 15
Frederick Woleter 12
Harriet Woleter 19
Emily Woleter 14


Dee x

That looks more like it Dee there is a tree on ancestry with a sister Harriet

jax

Just can't find them in 1891 Jax.

This is the only William Woliter to show on freebmd.org.uk


Births Mar 1852 (>99%)

WOLITER William Birmingham 6d 194


No marriage shows


but it is weird, I can't see any of them on censuses other than that 1901 for Emily.


There is a Public Family Tree on ancestry that implies that the parents were William Woliter and Mary

They apparently had 4 or 5 children .... and the tree owner followed the eldest child Harriet(t), born ca 1881 and died 1967 ..... but even that person doesn't make any reference to censuses.



I tried looking for W*er ..... that didn't raise any name that looked as if it might be "them"!



sylvia

Found them;

1891 England Census about Harriett Walston
Name: Harriett Walston
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William Walston
Mother's Name: Mary Walston
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: All Saints
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Walston 39 >> Nail caster
Mary Walston 39
Mary Walston 19
Ellen Walston 15
Henry Walston 13
William Walston 11
Harriett Walston 9
John Walston 8
George Walston 6
Emma Walston 4
Fredrick Walston 2

All born Birmingham.

Image states wolister.


Dee x

1871 England Census about William Waliter
Name: William Waliter
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Gabriel
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Peter
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Household schedule number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
George Slater 44
Rachel Slater 43
George Walster 10
William Waliter 19 >>>> nail caster... nephew


Dee x

and in 1881

1881 Census

Name: Harry Woliter ?
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Woliter ? <<<< it is Woliter on image
Mother's Name: Mary A. Woliter ?
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmm, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address: Court 8 3 House Henrietta St

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: All Saints

Henry Wankling 53
Harriet Wankling 51
Harriet Wankling 20
Joseph Wankling 18
William Wankling 16
Lizzie Wankling 13
Charlotta Wankling 9
William Woliter ? 39 Boarder, Nail Castor
Mary A. Woliter ? 29 Japanner
Mary A. Woliter ? 9
Ellen Woliter ? 5
Harry Woliter ? 3
William Woliter ? <<< 18 months on image



sylvia

1861 England Census about William Warritor
Name: William Warritor
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Warritor
Mother's Name: Ruth Warritor
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

View image
Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: All Saints
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
William Warritor 35
Ruth Warritor 32
Eliza Warritor 12
William Warritor 9
Thomas Warritor 7
Emma Warritor 5
Mary Warritor 2


Dee x

On the 1871 Census ...... George Walster, is actually George Waliter, and is shown as Adopted Son


is it a stretch to suggest that he might be William's brother??



sylvia

Good one Dee!



sylvia

In 1881 George S shows as nephew to the Slaters............ so i think you're on the right tracks and he is actually williams brother

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1849 (>99%)
Morris Edward Birmingham 16 393
Pointon Ellen Birmingham 16 393
Round Ann Birmingham 16 393
>>>>>>>>Russell Ruth Birmingham 16 393
Stagg Joseph Birmingham 16 393
Turner Isaac Birmingham 16 393
Turner Letitia Birmingham 16 393
>>>>>>>>Wolliter William Birmingham 16 393


I still can't find William Jnrs marriage.


Dee x

Ah... spoke too soon;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1875 (>99%)
Baker Siviter Birmingham 6d 251
>>>>>>>HUBBARD Mary Ann Birmingham 6d 251
WISEMAN Sarah Ann Birmingham 6d 251
>>>>>>>>>>WOLLITER William Birmingham 6d 251

So Rachael Slater is Ruths sister, they state the same birth year so I wonder if they were twins>

George S Woliter is George Slater Woliter............ was this child given to her sister as they have no children??

but look at this one

1861 Census

Name: Rachel Slater
[Rachel Parkes]
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: George Slater
Mother's Name: Mary Parkes
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmm, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: Lady Wood

George Slater 35 b.ca 1826, Osmaston, Derbyshire, Mother Sarah Slater, Nail Caster
Rachel Slater 32
Mary Parkes 60 b.ca 1801, Not Known (born Abroad), Mother-in-Law, Widow, Family Laundress
Sarah Slater 81 b.ca 1780, Hastings, Sussex, Widow, Seamstress
George S Wolliter 10 MO b.ca 1860, Birmingham, Warwickshire, Nephew
Cornelius A Baker 21 Lodger
Emma F Baker 24 Lodger's Wife
Cornelius A Baker 10 MO Lodger's Son

Address:- Steward Street, No 45



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