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Thanks, will do!

That's the next step forward, Tony. Don't forget to come back to this thread and give us the results. We're always interested to know how searches are going.

Ozi

Hi,

It is very confusing, so I'll get the certificates to prove all the information.

Thanks again for all your hard work
Tony

1871: Bummer!

Elizabeth Allen James, Emma abt 1858 Shoreditch Daughter St Leonard Shoreditch, London
Elizabeth Allen William, Sarah abt 1858 Shoreditch Daughter St Leonard Shoreditch, London



However, plus having a son named Jessie:
1861 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Allen
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Jessie Allen
Mother's Name: Ann Allen
Gender: Female
Where born: St Lukes, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Shoreditch St Leonard
Ecclesiastical parish: Hoxton St John the Evangelist
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address: 16 Union St

Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Hoxton New Town <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Household Members: Name Age
Jessie Allen 21 - Shoemaker; St Lukes
Ann Allen 22 - Epsom, Surrey
Elizabeth Allen 3
Mary Allen 1
Emma Allen 5 MO



1871 England Census
Name: Jessie Allen
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary Ann Allen
Gender: Male
Where born: St Luke
Civil parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael and All Angels
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 10 Saxony Cottages

Occupation: Shoe maker

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: South Hackney
Household Members: Name Age
Jessie Allen 30
Mary Ann Allen 32 - Epsom
Mary Jane Allen 11
Emily Alice Allen 9
Janetta Allen 8
Rachel Allen 6
Richard Allen 3



???
Marriages Sep 1857
Allen Jesse Shoreditch 1c 463 <<<<<
Clark Eliza Shoreditch 1c 463
Field Mary Ann Shoreditch 1c 463 <<<<<
Springett William Shoreditch 1c 463


???
Births Dec 1841
Field Mary Ann Epsom 4 105

You'll need the certificates to prove any of this.

Hopefully we've nailed him now.

1891 England Census
Name: Elizabeth A Chapman
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Charles Chapman
Gender: Female
Where born: Hoxton, London, England
Civil parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: Dalston St Phillip
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: Hackney
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Chapman 38 - Boot maker; Hoxton
Elizabeth A Chapman 33
James R Chapman 9 - scholar
Charles Chapman 8 - scholar
William Chapman 6 - scholar
Robert Chapman 4 - scholar
Annie Chapman 2
Jessie Chapman 5 Months - son


1881 England Census
Name: Charles Chapman
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth Chapman
Gender: Male
Where born: Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: St Leonards Shoreditch
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 14 Laburnam St

Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Boot Maker

Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Haggerston
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Chapman 28
Elizabeth Chapman 23 - Shoreditch, Middlesex


OK, so it certainly looks as if she was born c1858 not '53.


???
Births Sep 1857
Allen Elizabeth Shoreditch 1c 193

Hi,
It is the wrong one. My granddad's name was Charles Chapman, Also, Elizabeth married a Charles Chapman my gt granddad.

Thanks

Now if this is him, then perhaps we've been following the wrong Elizabeth.

1881 England Census
Name: Washington Chapman
Age: 43
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizth. Chapman
Gender: Male
Where born: Norwich, Norfolk, England
Civil parish: Hackney
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 60 Sheep Lane

Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Shoemaker
Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: South Hackney
Household Members: Name Age
Washington Chapman 43
Elizth. Chapman 37
Eliza Chapman 13
Sarah Chapman 7
Elizth. Chapman 4
Louisa Chapman
William Chapman 9

Is this him?

1891 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Chapman
Age: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Washington Chapman
Gender: Female
Where born: Hackney, London, England
Civil parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: Haggerston St Mary
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 66 Scawfell St

Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Haggerston

Household Members: Name Age
Washington Chapman 53 Secretary Shoemakers Trade Society
Elizabeth Chapman 48
Eliza Chapman 22
Sarah Chapman 17
Elizabeth Chapman 14
Louisa Chapman 11
Henry Chapman 8 - scholar; Hackney <<<<

Hi,

I'm not sure about her marriage, although I haven't been able to find that. On my Granddads BC b.1882 it shows mother Elizabeth Ann Chapman formerly Allen and they were living in Haggerston.

Thanks

Aha!

1901 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Davenport
Age: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Joseph Walter Davenport
Gender: Female
Where born: Bethnal Green, London, England <<<<<
Civil parish: Kempston
Ecclesiastical parish: Kempston
Town: Kempston
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England
Street Address: 1 Duncombe Street

Registration district: Bedford
Sub-registration district: Bedford and Kempston
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Walter Davenport 38 - Publican (Smiths Arms); Liverpool
Elizabeth Davenport 48


They don't seem to have any children so this may not be her after all.

Perhaps this is her, but should have been born c1852 on 1861 census as her birthday would have been before 7 April. (The date of the 1861 census.)
Births Mar 1852
Allen Elizabeth Ann Shoreditch 1c 138

Another possibility as they seem to be in Bethnal Green before Shoreditch. Although there is very little difference between the two. Also in 1881 Elizabeth is recorded as born Tower Hamlets, part of which is in the B Green registration district.
Births Sep 1852
Allen Elizabeth Mary Ann Bethnal Green 1c 217


And I did find this:
Marriages Dec 1885
Allen Elizabeth Mary A Bedford 3b 721
Britten Charles Bedford 3b 721
Davenport Joseph Walter Bedford 3b 721
Walker Louisa Bedford 3b 721


1891 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Davenport
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Joseph W Davenport
Gender: Female
Where born: London, England
Civil parish: St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Leonards
Town: Bedford
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England
Street Address: 16 Edward Road

Registration district: Bedford
Sub-registration district: Bedford and Cardington
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph W Davenport 28 - Store keeper; Liverpool, Lancs
Elizabeth Davenport 38

Have you found Elizabeth's birth?

If not this would be a sure bet to check for mother.
Births Sep 1860
ALLEN Ada Letitia Bethnal Gn 1c 235

Deaths Mar 1862
ALLEN Ada Letitia Shoreditch 1c 160

Thanks Ozibird. I was taking my info from the 1851 Census, you're way ahead of me.

I appreciate all your help.

This is a possibility.

1851 England Census
Name: Mary Bailey
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address: 31 Ion Square

Occupation: General Servant

Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Hackney Road
Household Members: Name Age
George A Carle 24
Emma Louisa Carle 23
Emma Louisa Carle 1
George Grange Carle 4 MO
Mary Bailey 19

He's married to Mary in 1861. Presumably Elizabeth's mother. What makes you think he would have married anyone else in between?

This could be the marriage. However there seems to be another Joseph Allen around, married to a Mary Ann. Only Elizabeth's birth certificate will give you proof-positive of her mother's name.
Marriages Dec 1851
Allen Joseph Shoreditch 2 509 <<<<<
Bailey Mary Shoreditch 2 509 <<<<<??
Cecil Elizabeth Shoreditch 2 509
Hucks William Shoreditch 2 509
Kelly Hannah Shoreditch 2 509
Mackin Mary Ann Shoreditch 2 509
Sache Henry William Shoreditch 2 509
Smith Thomas Shoreditch 2 509

Thanks for that, but if in the 1851 Census he was a widower, do you think he remarried again before the 1861 census which shows he is married?

Hmmm only one male, but I guess you know who she married.

Marriages Jun 1886
ALLEN Elizabeth Ann P Bedford 3b 609
Cann Alfred Bedford 3b 609
GAUNT Ann Bedford 3b 609

1881 England Census
Name: Joseph Allen
Age: 69
Estimated birth year: abt 1812
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary Allen
Gender: Male
Where born: Lewes, Sussex, England
Civil parish: St Mary
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England
Street Address: 29 Kings Place

Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Ornamental Wood Carver

Registration district: Bedford
Sub-registration district: Bedford and Cardington
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Allen 69
Mary Allen 51
Elizabeth Allen 28 - Dressmaker; Tower Hamlets, Middlesex
Harry B. Allen 13 - Printers Errand Boy; Bedfordshire



1891 England Census
Name: Joseph Allen
Age: 79
Estimated birth year: abt 1812
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary Allen
Gender: Male
Where born: Lewes, Sussex, England
Civil parish: St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Leonard
Town: Bedford
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England
Street Address: 29 King's Place

Occupation: Wood Carver

Registration district: Bedford
Sub-registration district: Bedford and Cardington
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Allen 79
Mary Allen 61 - Laundress
Harry Allen 23 - General Labourer

Hi, Yes it is the family I'm trying to find. The 1861 Census was damaged so I couldn't get all the info from it!!

Thanks

1851 England Census
Name: Joseph Allen
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1812
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Lewis, Sussex, England
Civil parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address: Crescent Place

Occupation: Ornamental Carver

Condition as to marriage: Widow

Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Hackney Road
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Allen 39