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My Great grandfather was Daniel Holland born in Sunderland in 1853, his parents were John Holland born in Cork Ireland and I believe Mary Haswell born in Manchester in 1831. I can not find any family for Mary Haswell. can anyone else find anything?

Joh Holland was born abt 1823/6 his father was John Holland born in Cork Ireland 13.1.1784, d 22.5.1866 in Woodford Cheshire, his wife was Catherine Sullivan b Cork Ireland 1789 & d 29.9.1860 in Woodford Cheshire. I would like any further information anyone can give me. When did they marry? did they have any other children? Names of their parents etc.
I would also like any information about Daniels wife Ann McQuinn b Jun 1857 Newcastle upon Tyne, father James b 1825 and mother Elizabeth b 1830 surname unknown. I have no further information about Daniels wife and her family.
Kin

1861 England Census
Name: Daniel Holland
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Holland
Mother's Name: Mary Holland
Gender: Male
Where born: Sunderland, Durham, England
Civil parish: Sunderland
Ecclesiastical parish: Sunderland
Town: Sunderland
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address: 32 Mariner's Lane

Registration district: Sunderland
Sub-registration district: East Sunderland
Household schedule number: 116
Household Members:
Name Age
John Holland 38 - labourer; Ireland
Mary Holland 30 - Lancashire
Daniel Holland 8
Mary Holland 5

Have you got Daniel's birth cert as I think it is vital if you want to know for sure.

Births Mar 1853
Holland Daniel Sunderland 10a 313

If this reg'n is where you're getting Mary Haswell from, it looks as if this John Holland married Esther.
Marriages Dec 1853
Crawford James Houghton le S 10a 390
Haswell Mary Houghton le S 10a 390 <<<<
Holland John Houghton le S. 10a 390 <<<
Lonsdale Esther Houghton le Sg 10a 390

Name: John Holland
Bride's Name: Esther Lonsdale
Marriage Date: 13 Dec 1853
Marriage Place: West Rainton, Durham, England
Groom's Father's Name: Thomas Holland
Bride's Father's Name: Matthew Lonsdale
Groom's Marital Status: Widowed
Bride's Marital Status: Single

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01290-2
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1514524
Reference Number: 284




Name: Daniel Halland Or Holland
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 26 Jul 1853
Baptism/Christening Place: St. Cuthbert, Durham, Durham, England
Birth Date: 03 Feb 1853
Father's Name: John Halland Or Holland
Mother's Name: Mary Jarrat

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02113-6
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 2082455
Reference Number: it 2
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975


1871 England Census
Name: Mary Jarrard
Age: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1823
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Female
Where born: Newton Le Willon [Image is Newton Le Willow]
Civil parish: Sunderland
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
Town: Sunderland
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address: 35 Spring Garden Lane

Occupation: Hawker

Condition as to marriage: unmarried

Registration district: Sunderland
Sub-registration district: West Sunderland
Household Members:
Name Age
John Holland 52 - unmarried; Waterman; Ireland
Mary Jarrard 48
Daniel Holland 17
Mary Holland 14
Annie Holland 8
Louisa Holland 4

Hi,

A marriage for Ann's Parents...listed under Mcqeen as is the 1861 census.


Marriages Mar 1857 (>99%)
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Hamilton Elizabeth Newcastle Tyne 10b 182

McQueen James Newcastle Tyne 10b 182

1861 census


1861 England Census 1861 England Census
Name: Ann McQueen
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Granddaughter
Father's Name: James McQueen
Mother's Name: Elizabeth McQueen
Gender: Female
Where born: Newcastle Upon Tyne

Civil parish: All Saints
Ecclesiastical parish: Byker
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub-registration district: Byker

Household schedule number: 70
Household Members: Name Age
Alexander Hamilton 49
Ann Hamilton 57
Mary Morrison 18
William Hamilton 16
James McQueen 24
Elizabeth McQueen 25
Ann McQueen 4
George McQueen 2
Catherine McQueen Under 1 MO
Catherine McQueen ....... Niece

I'm guessing that this is a Roman Catholic church and the details are written in latin.
Name: Louisa Holland
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 29 Nov 1866
Baptism/Christening Place: St Marys, Sunderland, Durham, England
Birth Date: 12 Sep 1866
Father's Name: Joannes Holland
Mother's Name: Maria Janett Holland

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01234-4
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 1936936
Reference Number:
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

They have no idea of their ages, do they?

1881 England Census
Name: John Holland
Age: 72
Estimated birth year: abt 1809
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary Holland
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil parish: Easington
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Lab

Registration district: Easington
Sub-registration district: Easington
Household Members:
Name Age
John Holland 72
Mary Holland 60



1891 England Census
Name: John Holland
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary Holland
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil parish: Easington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Easington
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address: Easington

Occupation: Watercress Hawker

Condition as to marriage: married

Registration district: Easington
Sub-registration district: Easington
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Holland 33
Mary Holland 30 - Manchester
Louisa Holland 24 [Image has her surname as Mann]
John T Mann 1

Marriages Dec 1889
Holland Louisa Easington 10a 699
Howley Mary Easington 10a 699
Killmartin Hugh Easington 10a 699
MANN Henry Easington 10a 699

Deaths Mar 1895
Holland John 88 Easington

Deaths Mar 1905
Holland Mary 84 Easington 10a 299

Thank you very much for all your help and Alison, I am going to order Daniel's birth and marriage certificates. Daniel's daughter Beatrice is my grandmother but I never met any of her siblings or other relatives other than my fathers siblings. My aunt told me that the family lived in Easington and South Hetton and that Daniel was born in Sunderland and that my grandmother was the youngest of 13 children. I know my grandmother married my grandfather in Sunderland in 1917 and that's about it as far as her family go. My aunt also told me that Daniels father was Irish. Not a lot to go on really.

Thank you again for all of this its great.

Oops my message was to thank both Alison and Ozibrd, made an error so thank you both of you

Looking through the information it is all still a bit confusing, nothing much seems clear.

John Holland and his wife Mary were living next door to Daniel and his family in 1881. This John was born in Ireland and his wife's name is Mary born in Manchester (Lancashire), this is why I thought he married Mary Haswell but I have no evidence to support that, I hope Daniel's BM certs will do that.

Thank you both for all your help and effort.

Well Daniel has 12 children covering the 1881/1891/1901 censuses. With Beatrice the youngest in 1901. Have you checked the 1911 to see if one child had died between censuses?

Ozi

I have ordered the birth and marriage certificate for Daniel Holland, this should shed light on his parents, the other person in his marriage comes up as Ann McQueen.

I will check the census details to see if one child died between them Ozi.

Thank you for everything.

Happy hunting, kin. Let us know your findings.

Ozi

Hi
I have now received the marriage certificate for Daniel Holland, he married Ann McQuinn (not McQueen) on 1 November 1875, his father was John Holland fisherman and his wife's father was Patrick McQuinn rivetter. I think the names differ sometimes as the writing is sometimes difficult to read.

Am I correct that the witnesses to a marriage offer some clues as they are often relatives?

I am waiting for the birth certificate to find the name of Daniel's mother.

I have looked at the census records and can not find anyone missing on them other than when they are working as servants. In 1901 Ellen and Margaret are servants and live with their employers. I can only guess that a baby was born and died between the censuses as I was told Beatrice was the youngest of 13 children. I will search to see if there is a birth and death of a Holland in the area about the right time.

Thank you once again

You will have found that there are nine possibilities with two sets of twins. It is important for you to check the 1911 census where it states the number of children born to a couple, and number still living.

If there is only one missing child you may never know unless you're keen enough to get all the birth certs. You may be lucky to contact a descendant from one of the older children who actually knows the dead child's name.

Ozi

Hi Ozi
I am not sure I completely understand, how would I know if the family had twins if one died at birth or soon after? How would all the birth certs help, would the cert state that it was twins?

I have never met any of the Holland family other than my grandmother as far as I'm aware. My mother and father lived in Wiltshire where I was raised, we went to visit my grandmother, and my two aunts in South Shields every year but I can't recall meeting any other family members. One of my aunts is in hospital with dementia and the other is not keen on talking about the family history. The one that is not keen on talking about it might be because she was born out of wedlock, her father is not the same father am father's father but they have the same mother. So I don't know how to contact any of the children.

It is a bit costly to order all the Birth certs. Maybe there is a way of finding one of the descendants but I am not sure how.

How will I have found that there are 9 possibilities with two sets of twins?

You are far more knowledgeable at all this than me.

Thank you so much for the information but if possible can you tell me how I find out about the possibility of twins?

I don't have access to 1911 census

1911 census transcription details for: 10 York St Wheatley Hill S O Durham

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN30019 RG78PN1734 RD552 SD1 ED27 SN81


Reg. District: Easington Sub District: Wingate
Parish: Wingate Enum. District: 27
Address: 10 York St Wheatley Hill S O Durham
County: Durham
HOLLAND, Daniel Head Married M 56 1855 Coal Miner Shifter Labourer Underground Durham Sunderland
HOLLAND, Ann Wife Married
35 years F 52 1859 Northumberland Newcastle
HOLLAND, Daniel Son Single M 22 1889 Coal Miner Trammer Underground Durham Easington
HOLLAND, William Son Single M 20 1891 Coal Miner Durham South Hetton
HOLLAND, Louisa Daughter Single F 15 1896 Durham South Hetton
HOLLAND, Beatrice Daughter Single F 11 1900 Durham South Hetton
HOLLAND, Norman Son Single M 13 1898 Durham South Hetton

It says they've had 12 children. All surviving.

Maureen

So Maureen's solved your problem.

But referring to your questions. You're right, that's the point, unless you bought the certs you wouldn't know, and would you want to go to that expense?

Ozi