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Thanks for your words of wisdom - the marriage cert sounds a better bet to order first.

You need to get the marriage cert - details in full on OTHER thread.

That will tell you how old Joseph said he was at the time.............and, if he knew his father's name, that will also be recorded.

No point, as far as I can see, in ordering a birth cert which MAY NOT be him

Thanks Jax. I forgot that FreeBMD isn't complete for 1920.

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/progressM.shtml

Rose

Can't see George and Mary Ann in 1881. There is a marriage for a George and Mary Ann Warren in 1880 though.

Rose

Thanks for all your help Jax - I'll see what the birth cert reveals!

Well if you get the birth cert which certainly looks like Joseph then you should know who the parents are.

Been trying to find out about the marriage of George and Mary Ann Barrett not having much luck with that one

jax

The "David" could be a middle name, but from help from the kind people on GR neither 1891 or 1901 census show David as living with the same uncle as Joseph was - although he may have been fostered out to someone else.

thanks

Think the marriage is on the other thread Rose

cannot see any Davids born in Birmingham area for that sort of period

jax

Joseph is overseas in 1911. Perhaps the marriage was also overseas?

Rose

What do you know about David? When did he die and whom did he marry?

Rose

I would think it is this one

Births Sep 1888 (>99%)
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FREER Joseph Aston 6d 393

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OK Barrett it is. I'd like to send off for Joseph's birth cert, are you able to tell me the reference numbers etc I need to quote? many thanks

Angela

It did'nt change I could see from the origanal it said Barrett and had been transcribed wrongly

jax

Hi, this is looking very promising, although no reference to "David". Why do you think the name changes from Marrell to Barrett?

Name: Joseph Freer
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1889
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham

Civil parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Duddeston
ED, institution, or vessel: 52
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Marrell 42
Mary A Marrell 50
Ellen Marrell 16
Joseph Freer 2

Should say Barrett

1901

Name: Joseph Freer
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham

Civil parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Duddeston
ED, institution, or vessel: 50
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 62
Household Members: Name Age
George Barrett 52
Mary Ann Barrett 60
Joseph Freer 13



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I think that could be Joseph's death, I know he died before my husband was born in the 1960s. Unfortunately my father in law's memory (his son) isn't that good. However, this does confirm he was called Joseph Freer and probably born in 1889 - many thanks again

I was trying to trace Joseph's marriage earlier today, as I know his wife's name and thought that might be the way to trace Joseph's name and father's name - that's the thread that Flick is referring to - although it appears it might never have married! Thanks for your help.

Is this his death?

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Joseph Freer
Name: Joseph Freer
Death Registration Month/Year: 1957
Age at death (estimated): 68
Registration district: Birmingham
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 9c
Page: 99

Rose

Many thanks Jax, I've no idea if this is the correct Joseph Freer. Although this doesn't fit with the myth of "adoption" or a brother called David.

or this one?

1911 census - household transcription
Person: FREER, Joseph
Institution: 1/r Wark, 1ST R. WAR. R., BOMBAY, INDIA
Military details: Private 1/r War R

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FREER, Joseph Single ? 22 1889 Birmingham Warwick VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
34997 Reference: