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Hannah

Hannah Report 27 Aug 2010 19:49

Hi Everyone,
I seemed to have hit a brick wall and i am totally stuck. I wondered if anyone might be able to help me.
I have asked for help with this before about a year ago but i think i might have more info this time.
My great grandfather was Joseph Bradshaw b.1895 in Alston, Preston, Lancashire. His father James Bradshaw (b. approx 1848 Dilworth, Lancashire) had been married before and had several children but married Mary Theresa Stevenson in 1888 in Longridge, Lancashire. Mary was age 19 at the time so i have worked out she must have been born about 1869. On her marriage certificate it states her father was Adam Stevenson, a pawnbroker who was deceased. I have found the census records for after the marriage, on some mary does not show as Mary Theresa but Mary E however the rest of the family is correct and also on the 1911 census Mary Theresa Bradshaw shows with her family including my great grandfather. I cant seem to find a birth for Mary or her father Adam anywhere or any census records showing them before she married. Its really weird, like they never existed before she married!
I am hoping you guys might be able to help me as you all seem real experts when it comes to finding information! any help at all would be really appreciated. thanks! hannah

Choccy

Choccy Report 27 Aug 2010 19:52

for reference

1901

BRADSHAW, James Head Married M 54 1847 Wood Sawyer
Dilworth
Lancashire VIEW
BRADSHAW, Mary T Wife Married F 34 1867
Preston
Lancashire VIEW
BRADSHAW, James Son Single M 21 1880 Navvy
Ribchester
Lancashire VIEW
BRADSHAW, George Son M 11 1890
Dilworth
Lancashire VIEW
BRADSHAW, John Wm Son M 10 1891
Dilworth
Lancashire VIEW
BRADSHAW, Robert Son M 8 1893
Dilworth
Lancashire VIEW
BRADSHAW, Joseph Son M 6 1895
Dilworth
Lancashire VIEW
BRADSHAW, Bertie Son M 1 1900
Dilworth
Lancashire VIEW

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
3959 Folio:
81 Page:
9

Registration District:
Preston Sub District:
Alston Enumeration District:
4 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Longridge St Lawrecne

Civil Parish:
Dilworth Municipal Borough:
Address:
1, Bottaurs, Dilworth, Longridge County:
Lancashire


1911

BRADSHAW, Mary Theresa Wife Widow F 43 1868 Preston VIEW
BRADSHAW, John W Son Single M 19 1892 Cotton Mill Weaver Bottoms VIEW
BRADSHAW, Joseph Son Single M 15 1896 Cotton Mill Weaver Bottoms VIEW
BRADSHAW, Bertie Son Single M 11 1900 School Bottoms VIEW
POPE, William Boarder Single M 22 1889 Bobbin Mill Labourer Dutton VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
25343 Reference:
RG14PN25343 RG78PN1450 RD476 SD6 ED4 SN143

Registration District:
Preston Sub District:
Alston Enumeration District:
4 Parish:
Dilworth

Address:
Bottoms Longridge County:
Lancashire

Hannah

Hannah Report 27 Aug 2010 19:55

Hi Choccy, that is the Mary i am looking for yes. seems to be much easier to find her once she is married.

Choccy

Choccy Report 27 Aug 2010 19:59



1891

BRADSHAW, James Head Married M 44 1847 Wood Sawyer
Dilworth
Lancashire VIEW
BRADSHAW, Mary J Wife Married F 25 1866
Preston
Lancashire VIEW
BRADSHAW, Thomas Son Single M 20 1871 Bobbin Turner
Ribchester
Lancashire VIEW
BRADSHAW, Edward Son Single M 18 1873 Bobbin Turner
Ribchester
Lancashire VIEW
BRADSHAW, Arthur Son M 15 1876 Weaver Cotton
Ribchester
Lancashire VIEW
BRADSHAW, James Son M 12 1879 Scholar
Dilworth
Lancashire VIEW
BRADSHAW, Mary Ellen Daughter F 8 1883 Scholar
Dilworth
Lancashire VIEW
BRADSHAW, George Son M 1 1890
Dilworth
Lancashire VIEW

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RG number:
RG12 Piece:
3446 Folio:
78 Page:
20

Registration District:
Preston Sub District:
Alston Enumeration District:
4 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Lawrence

Civil Parish:
Dilworth Municipal Borough:
Address:
14, Bottoms, Dilworth, Longridge County:
Lancashire

Hannah

Hannah Report 27 Aug 2010 20:02

Hi Choccy, i believe that is also the family, with the T being mistaken for a J? maybe?

Hannah

Hannah Report 27 Aug 2010 20:07

Hi SomersetGirl. I did think that that could be her parents and i didn order the certificate- 1868 mary cowell and adam stevenson in preston. adam is noted as an engineer and his father is noted as Daniel Stevenson. I cant seem to find a mary and adam with a mary theresa that is the right age.

Choccy

Choccy Report 27 Aug 2010 20:13


??

Births Mar 1867 (>99%)
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Cowell Mary Preston 8e 543



Choccy

Choccy Report 27 Aug 2010 20:14


1871

STEVENSON, Adam Head M 28 1843 Lancashire VIEW
STEVENSON, Mary Wife F 24 1847 Lancashire VIEW
STEVENSON, John Son M 0 1871 Lancashire VIEW

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RG number:
RG10 Piece:
4205 Folio:
45 Page:
17

Registration District:
Preston Sub District:
Preston Enumeration District:
20 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Preston Municipal Borough:
Preston Address:
Lauderdale Street, Preston County:
Lancashire

ChristineinPortugal

ChristineinPortugal Report 27 Aug 2010 20:26

Could this be Adam in 1871?


Name: Adam Stephenson
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Preston, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Preston
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:<<< Hawker

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Preston
Sub registration district: Preston
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 45
Household Members: Name Age
Adam Stephenson 27
Elizabeth Stephenson 32 Rawtensall lancashire

Possibly Mary in 1871

Name: Mary Stephenson
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Preston, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Preston
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Preston
Sub registration district: Preston
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 108
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Richardson 47
Mary Richardson 52
Mary Stephenson 5
Mary Ann Lura Nobles 37
Laura Ellenor Nobles 17
Emily Nobles 15
Wm Robt Nobles 13
Jesse Meey Nobles 11
Walter Thos Nobles 9

Death for Adam.

Deaths Mar 1876

Stephenson Adam age 32 Preston 8e 450

Christine


Hannah

Hannah Report 27 Aug 2010 21:15

it could be- why would mary be with another family when she is so young?

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 27 Aug 2010 21:17

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1177081

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1175639

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1174514

It would have been better Hannah to have updated one of your previous threads and updating the title - especially the last one above as it has 41 replies and the info people are finding for you now is the same. I remember doing quite a lot of work on this - even doing the lookups poss in parish records and there does not seem to be any new information in your post

jansmith

jansmith Report 27 Aug 2010 21:19

I think this is the Adam you are looking at and so he had'nt died before she married
Name: Adam Stevenson
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Year of Registration: 1913
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 70
District: Ulverston
County: Cumbria, Lancashire
Volume: 8e
Page: 1004


image of his will says administration to Mary Stevenson widow

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 27 Aug 2010 21:20

the Stevenson - Mary Cowell marriage as in parish regs

marriage of Adam to Mary Cowell

Adam a 25 Engineer of Fox St father Daniel - contractor

Mary Cowell a 22 of Lower Pitt St father John (can't read occupation)

witnesses George Cowell & ? Dewhirst

difficult to reconcile Adam an engineer with Adam a pawnbroker!

Hannah

Hannah Report 27 Aug 2010 21:22

Sorry LancashireAnn, just really stuck and didnt want to confuse people with old info

Hannah

Hannah Report 27 Aug 2010 21:24

could adam stevenson have been mary theresa's father but not married to her mother, and she just said he was dead at the time of her own marriage?

jansmith

jansmith Report 27 Aug 2010 21:27

?????
Name: Theresa Mary Stevenson
Year of Registration: 1867
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: West Derby
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 306

Hannah

Hannah Report 27 Aug 2010 21:28

ah Jan, thats a possibility

jansmith

jansmith Report 27 Aug 2010 21:55

not that one death index
Name: Theresa Mary Stevenson
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Year of Registration: 1871
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 3
District: West Derby
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 597

Hannah

Hannah Report 27 Aug 2010 22:04

AH shame! one of the witnesses at the wedding was ellen gregson and i just found this-
Mary T Gregson
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Richd
Mother's Name: Ellen
Gender: Female
Where born: Preston, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Preston

Ellen Gregson
Age: 41
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Richd
Gender: Female
Where born: Preston, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Preston

any link do you think?

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 27 Aug 2010 22:10

Jan I think this is probably that Adam Stevenson whose death you found in Ulverston - as his daughter Mary is age 6 in 1881 (born c1875) it is unlikely he had a daughter Mary in 1867

Adam STEVENSON Head M Male 37 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Foreman Engine Fitter At Works
Mary STEVENSON Wife M Female 34 Preston, Lancashire, England
John STEVENSON Son Male 10 Preston, Lancashire, England Scholar
Mary STEVENSON Daur Female 6 Preston, Lancashire, England Scholar
Grace STEVENSON Daur Female 4 Ulverston, Lancashire, England
Elizth. PENNY Serv Girl Female 14 Ulverston, Lancashire, England Domestic Servant

Source Information:
Dwelling 54 North Lonsdale Rd
Census Place Ulverston, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1342022
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 4277 / 37
Page Number 37