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Pleasure Debbie.

Regards Vera

Thank you Vera,
Deb x

1851
Frances A Howell
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Marylebone, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Southwark St Saviour
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: St Saviour
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 293
Household Members: Name Age
Frances A Howell 15
Henry B Howell 5
Henry B Howell 1 Mo this is wrong...on image it is Howell, but no first name.
Elizabeth Potter 15 general servant
William A Stone 19 geberal servant


Regards Vera

The children are on the next page....will see if I can find the details...

Regards Vera

How wierd that her children are not with them in 1851, and that she signed her marriage cert as Isabella........

she signed the marriage cert as Isabella Maria Martin

John Martin
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 11 Jun 1828
Father's Name: George Martin
Mother's Name: Margaret Martin
Parish: Richmond
Borough: Richmond Upon Thames
County: Surrey



Maybe the names got mixed up on the certificate.

Regards Vera

when was grandfather born ? Robert was a widower on remarriage .is it poss grand dad was from his first marriage?

Edit; crossed with your posting

Vera, that is the records i found for George and Margaret and Richard, Yes they are the children for Robert Howell and Arabella

Are these there children.

Name: Henry Brandon Howell
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 1 Oct 1845
Father's Name: Robert Howell
Mother's Name: Arabella Maria Howell
Parish: St John the Evangelist, Walworth
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex

Name: Isabella Louisa Howell
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 19 Dec 1852
Father's Name: Robert Howell
Mother's Name: Arabella Maria Howell
Parish: St John the Evangelist
Borough: Lambeth
County: Middlesex

Name: Alfred Raphael Howell
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 2 Jan 1853
Father's Name: Robert Howell
Mother's Name: Arabella Maria Howell
Parish: St John the Evangelist
Borough: Lambeth
County: Middlesex

richard

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Arabella Maria Martin
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 3 Jul 1822
Father's Name: George Martin
Mother's Name: Margaret Martin
Parish: St Mary Magdalen, Richmond
Borough: Richmond Upon Thames
County: Surrey



Regards Vera

Hi,

Arabella was born 1820/21 and her and robert were married in 1840 Marylebone, (I previously had confusion over her name as the census list her as Isabella, but i have now received the cert which list her as Arabella.) I beleive she was born in Surrey (or as parts of London were known then)......Frederick Robert Howell was born 1849 at 25 Gravel Lane, Southwark, County of Surrey.

1851 Ref

Is this her...
Arabella M Howell
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1828
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Robert
Gender: Female
Where born: Richmond, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Southwark St Saviour
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: St Saviour
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 293
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Howell 47
Arabella M Howell 23


Regards Vera

Name: Isabella Maria Martin
Spouse Name: Robert Howell -widower !! occ grocer
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 29 Aug 1840
Parish: St Marylebone
County: Middlesex
Borough: Westminster
Father Name: John Martin -occ Coach proprieter
Spouse Father Name: Robt Howell -occ Attorney deceased

residence at time of marriage St Marylebone

Hiya Deb, do you have some dates please?

Hi Debbie

Could I have the year she was born and where and any other dates.

Regards Vera

I have received the birth cert for a grandfather of mine and his parents are listed as Arabella Maria Howell (formerly Martin) and Robert Howell. I have found Arabella on Family search and it list parents as George and Margaret Martin,but when i put their names on Ancestry (do not have access), it brings up Robert Howell and spouse Isabella Maria Martin (with father John Martin), I know she had a brother called John......just wanting to clarify who her father is.

Many Thanks

Deb x