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I don't for one moment think that Edward Brown was the father of the two children with Hubbard in their names.

The likelihood that Florence re-married is also very doubtful.

I rather fear you will never know for certain who fathered her two illegitimate children, which is what they almost certainly were.

Otherwise, she - and they - would have been living with Edward in 1911

So, it's been a lengthy search, which seems only to have come up with 'negative' info.

Edward Brown so i have been told was either pushed or fell down some stairs.

Sorry I don't know when or where she died. All i know is that my father-in-law used to refer to her as granny Brown.
Last know living in Tealby, Lincolnshire.
I have John Hubbard Brown birth and marriage certificate. On his birth certificate it gives his dad as Edward Brown, but on his marriage certificate it gives his dad as John Hubbard (deceased).

If Edward died in the area in which he'd been living....these are possibilities......allowing for slight age discrepancies

On balance, though, I would think that, of these, 1935 is much the most likely

Deaths Mar 1917 (>99%)
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Brown Edward 70 Spilsby 7a 790

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Deaths Dec 1923 (>99%)
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BROWN Edward 73 Spilsby 7a 611

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Deaths Dec 1935 (99%)
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Brown Edward 80 Spilsby 7a 624

She couldn't have re-married until after Edward died..............

She was certainly married to him - as to whether she married anyone else, it will require some diligent searching.

Any idea when/where she died? And her surname at the time................

Well you might be right there as it is said that Florence has been married three times. I don't know in which order they go but it could be that she married a Brown, then a Hubbard and finally a Warrener but how true this is I don't know. i also know that Florence maud Brown/Hubbard/Warrener worked at Bayerns Manor, in Tealby as a housekeeper.

1911

Person: BROWN, Edward
Address: Cumberworth Alford

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BROWN, Edward Head Married M 54 1857 Cottager Cumberworth Lincs VIEW
BROWN, Clara Daughter Single F 22 1889 Housekeeper Cumberworth Lincs VIEW
BROWN, Annie Elizabeth Daughter Single F 18 1893 Teacher Assistant Hogsthorpe Lincs VIEW

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I'm beginning to wonder whether the Hubbard in the names of John and Florence is indicative of an extra-marital relationship.........................

The image records 3 children born...........3 living. Crossed through, of course, as the info should be against the wife's name..........

Not wishing to cast aspersions on your husband's ancestors, but it seems odd that Edward is living apart from Florence Maud, with no sign of John, and no reference to any births other than those of the children who were with him in earlier years

Hi Flick

yes that is his death. i have a copy of his death certiciate.
He died when my father-in-law was only two.

No luck with 1911.........however, I wonder whether this may be his death?

Name: John H Brown
Death Registration Month/Year: 1942 - OND
Age at death (estimated): 35
Registration district: Grimsby
Inferred County: Lincolnshire
Volume: 7a
Page: 649

No I didn't have that
Thank you very much for your help your a superstar. My husband and his family will be very pleased with the results.

Did you have this?

Name: Florence Hubbard Collier
Birth Date: 7 Aug 1908
Death Registration Month/Year: May 1994
Age at death (estimated): 85
Registration district: Grimsby
Inferred County: Lincolnshire
Register number: C39C
District and Subdistrict: 5481C
Entry number: 60

I was hoping you wouldn't ask...only joking!

I looked for him earlier, when I found Florence with her aunt.................

I'll give it another shot - but if I don't post anything tonight, assume I've gone to bed.......and will try again tomorrow

Flick

Do you know how to find John Hubbard Brown in the 1911 census. I have had a look but the only one that seems to be close is John mason Brown born the same year in Grimsby.

Sorry it didn't produce info about her parentage............

I have found three in the 1881 census. Out of those three it looks like it could be the one in the Caistor Union Workhouse as she is there with her sister Mary.
Thanks for all your help Flick.

regards Carmen

Mary in 1881

Name: Mary J. Procter
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Female
Where born: Glentham, Lincoln, England

Civil parish: Caistor
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Street Address: "Caistor Union Workhouse" North Kelsey Road
Occupation: (Paupers)

Registration district: Caistor
Sub-registration district: Caistor
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
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AND Florence

Name: Florence Procter
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Female
Where born: Glentham, Lincoln, England

Civil parish: Caistor
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Street Address: "Caistor Union Workhouse" North Kelsey Road
Occupation: (Paupers)

Registration district: Caistor
Sub-registration district: Caistor
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page


No adult Proctors on the page................

This MAY be her sister in 1891 - although the age is a bit 'out' compared with 1911

Name: Mary G Prator
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1875
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Glentham, Lincolnshire, England

Civil parish: Great Grimsby
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
Town: Grimsby
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England


Registration district: Caistor
Sub-registration district: Great Grimsby
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Annie V Bendon 40
Sam C Bendon 27
Annie M Bendon 24
Mary G Prator 16
Geo Wm Wright 13
Rick Smith 27
Jno Williamson 25


Image is PROCTOR - and second name initial is 'J'

Will notify Ancestry....................

Would you like to try to find her yourself in 1881?

It's free.......www.familysearch.org

Hi Flick

Thanks for that, that is absolutely brilliant I can now fill in the bits on my tree. You couldn't do me another favour and see if you could trace Florrie Proctor back for me.
Kind Regards Carmen

1871

Name: John Brown
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Eliza
Gender: Male
Where born: Cumberworth, Lincolnshire, England
Civil parish: Cumberworth
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Registration district: Spilsby
Sub-registration district: Alford
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 35
Household Members: Name Age
John Brown 50
Eliza Brown 45 born Well, Lincs
Joseph Brown 17
Edward Brown 15
George Brown 12
Mary Brown 8
Emma Brown 6
Thos Brown 4