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Hi I have been trying to find a Lucy Parkins 1854 and her daughter Mary Elizabeth,1872, who was born outside marriage, on the 1881 and 1891 census but with no luck, both born Cambridgeshire. I have looked for marriages for Lucy between 1872 and 1881 but haven't been able to find one. I did find a marriage for Mary Elizabeth in 1893 to a William Clark and found her on the 1901 census so where was she on the previous two and what happened to her mother. I did look at deaths thinking she may have died in childbirth but hit a blank there. Any help would be gratefully appreciated. Many Thanks Dannie

Just to start us off, is this Lucy as a child? Her surname is ripe for mis-transcription isn't it - Parkin. Perkins etc!

1861 England Census

Name: Lucy Parkins
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Female
Where born: St Marys, Cambridgeshire, England

Civil parish: Wisbech St Mary
County/Island: Cambridgeshire

Registration district: Wisbech
Sub-registration district: Leverington

John Parkins 43
Mary Parkins 41
Thomas Parkins 17
William Parkins 9
Lucy Parkins 7
James Parkins 4
Jack Parkins 1

Hi yes this is the correct Lucy. Sorry not to have added info for her parents in my post. Many thanks Dannie

No problem just wanted to see if we can pin her birthplace down a bit more. As with her daughter:

Births Jun 1872 (>99%)
PARKINS Mary Elizabeth Wisbeach 3b 645

Like you, no luck as yet!

Jan

???

Deaths Dec 1923 (>99%)
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PARKINS Lucy F 65 Wisbech 3b 606

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Hi Jax many thanks for that but I believe this Lucy was the wife of my Lucy's brother. regards dannie

They seem to have disappeared. There is a chance Lucy either married or lived with someone, and they were all living under his surname, but blowed if I can find anyone who matches this either!
Jan

Many thanks for all your help I did look for marriages for Lucy but unfortunately didn't come across any maybe your theory of her living with someone and using his name is the closest explanation. Talk about mysteries!!! you never know I might just stumble across the answer one of these days. Anyway I am most grateful for the time you have taken to try to find them it is most appreciated. Kind Regards Dannie

Hi Flo This would have been the route that I would have gone down if I hadn't purchased Mary Elizabeths birth certificate and she was born in Wisbech St Mary Cambridge it's like they disappeard into thin air. Many thanks for your suggestion any ideas are most welcome. Kind Regards Dannie

This looks like them. Mary's place of birth is same as on the 1901 census.


1891 England Census
about Mary Elizabeth Balls
Name: Mary Elizabeth Balls
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Wm
Mother's Name: Lucy
Gender: Female
Where born: Guyhirn, Cambridgeshire, England

Civil parish: Tydd St Giles
Ecclesiastical parish: Tydd St Giles
Town: Tydd St Giles
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England

Street Address:....Grange Hill Road

Occupation:

Registration district: Wisbech
Sub-registration district: Leverington

Household Members: Name Age
Wm Balls 39.....Ag Lab....Doddington, Cambridgeshire
Lucy Balls 37...Wife....Guyhirn, Cambridgeshire
Mary Elizabeth Balls 18
Thomas Toynton 26 ...Lodger....Horsekeeper....Boothby, Lincolnshire
William Smith 18....Lodger....Groom...Lincolnshire

1881 England Census
about Mary E. Ball
Name: Mary E. Ball
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Lucy
Gender: Female
Where born: Guyhirn, Cambridgeshire, England

Civil parish: Leverington
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England

Street Address: Roman Bank
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Wisbech
Sub-registration district: Leverington
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Ball 29
Lucy Ball 27
Mary E. Ball 8

Hi Christina This does appear to be them how on earth did you find them? I have been searching on and off for a few years now without success that's why I put a post on here. Wonderful piece of detective work. Many thanks for taking the time to look you are a wonderful bunch of people on here and you all deserve a lot of praise for giving your time to help others and I for one am most appreciative of your help. Kind Regards Dannie

1901, just incase you haven't got it. She is on the census as daughter (is this William her father in law, or has she married a much older man??), but the enunerator has written M or F in the 'condition as to marriage' column for everyone on this page....so impossible to tell if anyone is married, widowed or single.


1901 England Census
about Mary E Clark
Name: Mary E Clark
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Guyhirn, Cambridgeshire, England

Civil parish: Southea Cum Murrow
Ecclesiastical parish: Southea cum Murrow
Town: Murrow
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Wisbech
Sub-registration district: Leverington
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 63
Household Members: Name Age
William Clark 58....Head...Groom
Mary E Clark 28....Daughter??
Mary Tooley Clark 2....Granddaughter??....Murrow, Cambridgeshire
Mary Parkins 83......Grandmother....Wisbech

Hi Christina I noticed this but William is her father in law as I have her marriage cert and her husband was born 1866 it does get confusing at times.
Just to let you know that I have just had a quick look for a marriage between William Ball and Lucy Parkins but have had no luck but it could be as brummijean suggested that they could be living together. Kind Regards Dannie

I couldn't find a marriage either, but it looks like she died as Lucy Ball...

Deaths Jun 1918 (>99%)
BALL Lucy 65 Wisbech 3b 582

Possibly Lucy in 1911

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
image

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BALL, William Head Married M 59 1852 Shepherd On Farm Cambs Doddington VIEW
BALL, Lucy Wife Married
35 years F 58 1853 Cambs Guyhirn VIEW
BALL, Ivy Louisa Daughter Single F 16 1895 Cambs Tydd St Giles VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
9288 Reference:
RG14PN9288 RG78PN499 RD187 SD1 ED5 SN30

Registration District:
Wisbech Sub District:
Leverington Enumeration District:
5 Parish:
Wisbech St Mary

Address:
Murrow Wisbech County:
Cambridgeshire

So she had a child late in life.

Ivy Louisa's birth cert. should confirm her mother's maiden name....


Births Jun 1894 (>99%)
Ball Ivy Louisa Wisbech 3b 565

I really can't thankyou all enough you have been more than helpful you truly are wonderful people. I shall send for Ivy's birth cert. for confirmation. Kind Regards Dannie

Hi Flo it states on the 1911 census that they had been married for 35 years so this would put the year of marriage as 1886 but I will definately send for the birth cert. before I go any further. Kind Regards Dannie

Hi Florence I did notice the different childs name myself I think I am going to have to do some more research before I send for the cert. I shall see if Lucy Humphreys was born in Guyhirn as this is where my Lucy was from and then take it from there. I have had a look on ancestry trees without any luck, so it looks as if I will be putting this one to bed for a while it's so frustrating. These damned ancestors why do they have to be so difficult to find, oh well it keeps my little grey cells ticking over. Many thanks Kind Regards Dannie