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Thank you all so much. MarieCeleste & Janey have listed correctly. Yes, children not siblings. Have traced birthplace of my father Sidney Thomas in Sandown IOW. Plan visit to Records Office in Newport IOW next year. Yes Stewarts Garland sounds better than T.H.Gatrall but we think he had something to hide! I'm too old now to visit Nottingham where the answer probably lies.

Have checked out those 3 Garlands that Janey found, plus a few more and none of them were priests. Of course, the priest could have moved elsewhere by the 1911 census.

That switch to middle names is interesting, MC, I'd noticed it but then not been properly suspicious. ;)

Nora's birth was the only Gatrall event in Nottinghamshire 1901-1911.

How is Thomas Henry Gatrall / Stewart Garland's death recorded? I'm not finding one that fits.


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Deaths Mar 1912
GARLAND Thomas S G 48 Nottingham 7b 351

Appears Nora was registered as Gatrall:

Births Dec 1901
Gatrall Nora Kathleen Nottingham 7b 307

This is the 1911 Janey found:

GARLAND, Stewarts Head Married M 48 1863 Journalist Federation Southampton Hants
GARLAND, Elizabeth Wife Married 28 years F 48 1863 Isle of Wight Newport Parish
GARLAND, Charlotte Daughter Single F 27 1884 Isle of Wight Newport Parish
GARLAND, David Son Single M 24 1887 Clerk Isle of Wight Newport Parish
GARLAND, Edna Daughter Single F 21 1890 Shop Assistant Isle of Wight Newport Parish
GARLAND, Sidney Son Single M 20 1891 Appce Lace Manufacturing Isle of Wight Newport Parish
GARLAND, Reginald Son M 10 1901 School Sussex Lewes Parish
GARLAND, Nora Daughter F 9 1902 School Nottinghamshire Notts

RG number: RG14 Piece: 20525
Reference: RG14PN20525 RG78PN1229 RD430 SD2 ED12 SN102

Registration District: Nottingham Sub District: Nottingham South East Enumeration District: 12 Parish: Nottingham

Address: 98 Sneinton Dale Nottingham County: Nottinghamshire

Edit: It's interesting how some of the children have switched to their middle names, too. Were they hiding from someone, or fresh start, fresh names?

I notice he's now a journalist. Are there any journalism directories anywhere, or perhaps check with local newspapers of that area? Perhaps his new name made a better byline?

... can't see any other thread when the filter is on (unless deleted).

The opposite of rude, Thomas! You posted in July and didn't get a reply until now, and here you are back right away. My confusion was that you referred to Thomas Henry's *siblings*, but it was his children.

I can't find Stewart Garland in the 1911 census ... Ah, what it helps to know:

GARLAND STEWARTS 1863 48 Nottingham Nottinghamshire
GARLAND ELIZABETH 1863 48
GARLAND CHARLOTTE 1884 27
GARLAND DAVID 1887 24
GARLAND EDNA 1890 21
GARLAND SIDNEY 1891 20
GARLAND REGINALD 1901 10
GARLAND NORA 1902 9

I don't subscribe to see details. Is Thomas still in insurance?

Son Victor Hayden isn't in the household. Had he married, and as Potty said, under what name? Not seeing a marriage.

There are three other midddle-aged male Garlands in Nottingham:

GARLAND JOHN 1858 53
GARLAND WALTER 1866 45
GARLAND HARRY 1876 35
(edit - any matches for them I find in 1901 are all bricklayers and the like)

Have you checked their details for any clues as to a connection?

Ah:

Births Sep 1885
GATRALL Victor Hayden I. Wight 2b 603

Marriages Sep 1915
Garland Victor H G Mee W. Derby 8b 1409
Mee Clarice M Garland W. Derby 8b 1409

Yes, as I suggested: the "Gatrall-Garland" is translated in records as "G. Garland".

If there were any registered events between 1901 and 1911, as Potty suggests, it could place the switch more accurately in time.


Oh ... is there another thread, please? Should have got that answer first ...

Were any children born/Married between 1901 and 1911? If so, what name was used?

Thanks all helpers. Not being familiar with the site I must appear to being rude. Apologies. MarieCeleste has it right. My Grandfather, THOMAS HENRY GATRALL, when living in Uckfield registered his children in the 1901 census as GATRALL. By the time of the 1911 census he had moved the family to Nottingham and in that year registered them as GARLAND, also changing his own first name to Stewart!
My father, Sidney Thomas, re-introduced the Gatrall name by registering his three children (I am Thomas Rex, the youngest) at birth as
GATRALL-GARLAND. He never discussed the family history with us. I do not know why T.H. changed the name from GATRALL to GARLAND.
Does anyone?

Why was this thread bought back up to the top? I am sure there is a thread with replies on this family somewhere

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Aaaaaargh. Penny was stuck in the "surname board" loop, or this is just another late-night dredging of old posts.

I guess because Thomas' post was back in July he isn't looking back anymore:

However, guess this might be the chap in 1901 (why am I doing this?):

GATRALL, Thomas Henry Head Married M 37 1864 Superintendent To Prudential Assurance Company Southampton Hampshire
GATRALL, Elizabeth Jane Wife Married F 38 1863 Brading Isle of Wight
GATRALL, Cattie Daughter Single F 17 1884 Teacher Of Music Sandown Isle of Wight
GATRALL, Victor Hayden Son Single M 16 1885 Draper's Apprentice Sandown Isle of Wight
GATRALL, Clarence David Son Single M 13 1888 Scholar Sandown Isle of Wight
GATRALL, Christina Edna Hayden Daughter Single F 11 1890 Scholar Sandown Isle of Wight
GATRALL, Sidney Thomas Son Single M 10 1891 Scholar Sandown Isle of Wight
GATRALL, Reginald Stewart Son Single F 0 (7 MOS) 1901 Uckfield
Sussex

RG number: RG13 Piece: 900 Folio: 31 Page: 18

Registration District: Uckfield Sub District: Isfield Enumeration District: 2 Ecclesiastical Parish: Holy Cross

Civil Parish: Uckfield Municipal Borough:
Address: 3, Aylesford Terrace, Uckfield County: Sussex

In your tree, Thomas, you have Thomas Gatrall born 1840 Isle of Wight. It doesn't make sense that this would be him ... how would he be changing his siblings' surname 70 years later?

There are no Gatrall-Garland births ever (unless Gatrall appears as middle initial G), and only one marriage, in 1946. No Gatrall-Garland deaths.

The only birth of a Thomas Henry Gatrall

Births Jun 1863
GATRALL Thomas Henry Southampton 2c 16

and he married 1884 Isle of Wight.


From the 1901 census, the surname Gatrall seems to be unique to Hampshire. None in Nottingham.

Garland, it appears. But where, what were their names, what were their years of birth ... ?

No one who reads this message will know the answer. But many of us might help find it, if you gave the info needed.

What are they listed as in 1911 please?
Garland ?
Gattrall or
Garland-gattrall

I'm trying to trace why my Grandfather, Thomas Henry Gatrall, changed his own and the names of his siblings from Gatrall to Garland between the census of 1901 and that of 1911. It was my father, Sidney Thomas Garland, one of Thomas Henry's sons, who registered his children as Gatrall-Garland therby restoring the Gatrall name.
My failing memory recalls that there was a man of the church by the name of Garland who helped the family when living in Nottingham. So goes a story handed down when I was a child.
Who was this priest or person?