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1841 England Census
about James Berryman Jur
Name: James Berryman Jur
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Gender: Male
Where born: Surrey, England

Civil parish: Chertsey
Hundred: Godley (Second Division)
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Chertsey
Sub-registration district: Chertsey
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Berryman 55 >>> Farmer
James BerrymanJur 25 >>> Farmer
Lucy Harris 25
Henry Harris 5
John Harris 3
Caroline Bliss 20
Ann Brockman 15
Joseph Styles 15

Why James didn't marry Elizabeth Hiley;

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about James Berryman
Name: James Berryman >> Gent
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1814
Spouse Name: Caroline Bliss
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 9 Jul 1842
Parish: St George the Martyr
County: Middlesex
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: James Berryman >>> Farmer
Spouse Father Name: James Bliss >> Baker

So James may have been engaged to Caroline Bliss but still had his wicked way with Elizabeth Hiley??

Ohh.. just noticed Caroline is living with the Berrymans in 1841!!!


Dee x

Looks like Emma's mother Elizabeths baptism;

ELIZABETH HILEY Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth: 23 MAY 1823

Christening: 15 JUN 1823 Chertsey, Surrey, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: EDWARD HILEY Family
Mother: REBECCA



All Edward and Rebecca's childrens baptisms;

1. EDWARD HILEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 22 OCT 1820 Chertsey, Surrey, England

2. AMELIA HILEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 15 AUG 1830 Chertsey, Surrey, England

3. MARY ANN HILEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 03 FEB 1833 Chertsey, Surrey, England

4. ELIZABETH HILEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 15 JUN 1823 Chertsey, Surrey, England

5. ANN HILEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 29 NOV 1835 Chertsey, Surrey, England

The witnesses on Emma's marriage could well be her Aunt Amelia Hiley and her husband;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1855 (>99%)
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HENDERSON Caroline Ann Islington 1b 292
>>>>>>>>HILEY Amelia Islington 1b 292
>>>>>>>>>STAUNTON William Islington 1b 292
TANNER George Henry Islington 1b 292



It looks likely that James Berryman had died prior to 1861 and poor Elizabeth Hiley looks like she never married as I have found her in 1851, 1861, 1881 and 1891. In the last 2 census that I found she was a cook. Would like to find her in 1841 but haven't yet.


Dee x

Thankyou very much on all the info on this ,my head is now swimming ,give me a chance to digest it ,trying to find there children