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I have a couple of ancestors who it appears have been baptised twice...??

The first time shortly after the birth in the birth parish of parents/grandparents { where grandparents still live} and then some time later {within a year} in their local parish in another county.

I`d be intrested in anyones views on this...



Nicky

On occasion, if a child was not expected to live, a home baptism would be performed as an 'emergency'............and a 'full' ceremony performed later

Thanks flick, i did wonder about that possibility...

By home baptism do you mean the minister would visit the family home and baptise, similar to a hospital chaplin sometimes does now if a child is not expected to live while in hospital?, its just that in my 2 cases both baptisms show in church parish records, so presumably the child was baptised both times in a Church.


Nicky

Presumably, the baptism would be recorded......it took place within the parish, even if not within the church building...........

But, it's only conjecture about the circumstances................

These are the 2 different entries that I think are the same person, Mary {senior} grandfather Edmund was still living in East Harling Norfolk in 1808, but she`d married Robert Peacock in 1807 in Cambridge where she`d lived all her life...



Day: 24

Month: Nov

Year: 1808

Forenames: Mary

Surname: PEACOCK

Relationship: dau of

Father forenames: Robert

Fathers occupation:

Mother forenames: Mary

Birth Day:

Birth Month:

Birth Year:

Abode:

Place: Cambridge, Holy Trinity

County: Cambridgeshire,England



County Norfolk
Place East Harling
Church St Peter and St Paul Ats
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth 06 Apr 1808
BaptismDate 07 Apr 1808
Forename Mary
Sex F
FatherForename Robert
MotherForename Mary
FatherSurname PEACOCK
MotherSurname SPINK
Abode
FatherOccupation
Notes Privately Baptised; Late Spinster
FileNumber 9482




Nicky

Yes thats true Flick, the entry would still have to be entered in Parish recods as if it had taken place in Church.

Thanks for your input....i do think it is the same person...

The other one i have is Marys sister Sarah, first baptised in Norfolk, 5 days after her birth and then again a few months later back in Cambridge.

Nicky

Often, if a home baptism is done (for reasons previously described), it would be noted in the parish records as a "Private" baptism.

So according to this it does look like they did come from Cambridge and the Norfolk bapstim is this family.

Robert Peacock Pedigree
Male Family

Event(s):
Birth:
About 1782 Of, Cambridge, Cambridge, England
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Marriages:
Spouse: Mary Spink Family
Marriage:
09 NOV 1807 Cambridge,St Edward, , Cambridge, England

Messages:
Record submitted by a member of the LDS Church. The record often shows the name of the individual and his or her relationship to a descendant, shown as the heir, family representative, or relative. The original records are not indexed, and you may have to look at the film frame-by-frame to find the information you want. A family group record for this couple may be in the Family Group Record Collection; Archive Section. (See the Family History Library Catalog for the film number.) These records are alphabetical by name of the father or husband.

Source Information:
Film Number: 458107

No, a child can't be baptized twice.

A private emergency baptism by the priest would be recorded in the parish register - often there would be a "P" recorded in the margin. The child would later be presented in the church.

A lay person can perform an emergency baptism - sometimes there is doubt about whether they did it right. The book of common prayer has a special conditional baptism to cover this, so it's not a baptism if the first was OK, but it is a baptism if the lay person stuffed things up. This would normally be done in a church, but could be private too, like the priest eventually made it thru the blizzard or whatever. Incidently, the need for a conditional form for baptism clearly indicates a kid can't be baptized twice.

MGNV...

Thanks for pointing that out,....... so they definetly can`t be baptised twice, but there is a chance that the child be later presented in Church, and both entries would be in their respective parish registers...


Thank you, I think that definetly clarifys both entries are the same person.


Nicky

Victoria...Yes that is the marriage, I know that one is submitted, but i have it confirmed from the Parish registers...


Nicky

I have come across this with my ancestors in Norfolk. I believe it is known as a private baptism (as said before, if baby is not expected to live) and then a public baptism when it is received by the church. At least that is how the Norfolk records offices explained it to me.
Dee

MGNV

this is an extract from Bincombe Dorset baptism records
15-10-1869; James; son of; William & Ann; DIFFEY; Bincombe; Labourer;
<<<<<<<<<14-11-1869; John Robert; son of; William & Jane; PALMER; Bincombe; Labourer;
19-11-1869; Elenor Louisa; daughter of; Alfred & Harriet; DOWELL;
Bincombe; Labourer;
13-3-1870; Alice Susan; daughter of; William & Harriet; MEECH;
Bincombe; Labourer;
18-4-1870; Esther; daughter of; Charles & Charlotte; HOUSE; Bincombe; Labourer;
17-7-1870; Henry James; son of; James & Rebecca; COOPER; Weymouth; ;
19-9-1870; Tom; son of; Edward & Margaret; HAINES; Bincombe; Blacksmith;
23-10-1870; Emma; daughter of; William & Caroline; HUDD; Bincombe;
RailwayCo Policeman;
<<<<<<<<<<<<23-10-1870; John Robert; son of; William & Jane; PALMER; Bincombe; Labourer;
23-10-1870; Amelia; daughter of; James & Jane; SIMS; Bincombe; Labourer;


As you can see my grandfather John Roberr Palmer has " two baptisms" - the original record as been scrutinized by an opcdorset researcher - who put it down to "over zealous vicar"

Irene

MGNV

this is an extract from Bincombe Dorset baptism records
15-10-1869; James; son of; William & Ann; DIFFEY; Bincombe; Labourer;
<<<<<<<<<14-11-1869; John Robert; son of; William & Jane; PALMER; Bincombe; Labourer;
19-11-1869; Elenor Louisa; daughter of; Alfred & Harriet; DOWELL;
Bincombe; Labourer;
13-3-1870; Alice Susan; daughter of; William & Harriet; MEECH;
Bincombe; Labourer;
18-4-1870; Esther; daughter of; Charles & Charlotte; HOUSE; Bincombe; Labourer;
17-7-1870; Henry James; son of; James & Rebecca; COOPER; Weymouth; ;
19-9-1870; Tom; son of; Edward & Margaret; HAINES; Bincombe; Blacksmith;
23-10-1870; Emma; daughter of; William & Caroline; HUDD; Bincombe;
RailwayCo Policeman;
<<<<<<<<<<<<23-10-1870; John Robert; son of; William & Jane; PALMER; Bincombe; Labourer;
23-10-1870; Amelia; daughter of; James & Jane; SIMS; Bincombe; Labourer;


As you can see my grandfather John Roberr Palmer has " two baptisms" - the original record as been scrutinized by an opcdorset researcher - who put it down to "over zealous vicar"

Irene

Sorry clicked twice -

Thanks Dee and Irene for your input...

I`m suprised i havn`t come across this before, as by the look of it ,there could have been an awful lot of children recorded twice....


Nicky

Unless my mother lied to me, I was baptised twice. I was born in London during the V2 bombings and there was a real chance that the hospital would be attacked, so one of the nurses "baptised" all the babies as soon as they were born. My mother had told me this, so I was very surprised when on a school visit to our local church to find my baptism in the register. Probably the vicar didn't think the original baptism was enough!

one possibility is that in earlier days it is not two baptisms for the same child .


........ but baptisms of TWO children


of course those baptisms would have to be mroe than 9 motnths apart ........ but it was relatively common practice to name another child after a sibling who had died.


I have one case in my father's ancestral line where the same name was used 3 times, before a child lived!


It was very difficult sorting that one out!!



sylvia

I agree with Sylvia I have quite a few ancestors who named a child then that child died and the next child was given the same name (which is often a name passed down the family) and I have found it quite confusings at times. Good luck with your research. Irene

Yes Sylvia....I have some of those too........2 children born one after the other with the same name, but this time i don`t think that is the case,

Though i do have others in that same family line where sorting them all out has been a Nightmare...


Nicky

Hi Nicky, theoretically, mgnv is quite correct in the fact that a person cannot be baptised twice - within the C. of E. in any case. However, I am sure I saw a thread similar to this many moons ago, re families who moved home to follow work prospects and, to obtain Parish Relief, had their children [re] baptised wherever they found employment as it was part of the condition of being eligible for that Relief.

Sure doesn't help things does it?? :)) Cx