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Will do, thankyou

Hi David,

please let us know when you get Mary's birth cert and who the mother was on her cert..

Thanks

No facts at all, just guessing because his death isn't listed in the BMD and that he was a sailor/ships carpenter, the only possible is Dec 1894 in Fylde would not have expected him to have been born as far back as 1832, it's possible i guess, he may have died in a hospital in Fylde perhaps.
If i were to send for this certificate, what would it tell me?

How sure are you that William died at sea?What fact's do you have ?

Cass

ordered the 2 from 1874, only one had the father william, so only one sent

I have looked on the Lancashire OPC's for McKenna death/burial and none are their..

David,
Does that mean to say you bought both birth certs,,?????

hi Sue, the other 1874 birth does not have a William as the Father.
Thankyou

These are all the births in Liverpool.West Derby for Mary McKenna.,,,,,

Births Mar 1878 (>99%)
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McKENNA Mary Liverpool 8b 39
McKENNA Mary Jane W. Derby 8b 628

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Births Jun 1878 (>99%)
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McKenna Mary Jane Barrow F. 8e 870

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Births Dec 1878 (>99%)
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McKenna Mary Liverpool 8b 30

I have looked through the deaths abroad ffrom 1893 to 1900 and there is no william McKenna listed.

There are 2 Henry McKenna's born 1874 in Liverpool.hare you sure you have the right Henry's birth cert.,,,,,

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Mar 1874 (>99%)
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McKENNA Henry Liverpool 8b 67

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Births Jun 1874 (>99%)
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McKenna Henry Liverpool 8b 115

I 've thought that these 2 are very likely candidates in the homes, do you know how i can confirm that these are right? We have the Henry Mckennas birth certificate from the 1st quarter, and lists a sarah flannery as the mother.The proof we have now show 4 different birth years, and last week i sent away again for Marys' birth certificate.so fingers crossed.

But all of this doen't help in my initial query , which was regarding Williams death, any ideas?

Thanks for all you help bye the way.

Hi,Just some birth registration's that me be of interest to you.

Mary Mckenna 1878,Q1,8b,39,Liverpool

Mary McKenna 1878,Q4,8b,30,Liverpool

Henry McKenna 1874,Q1,8b,67,Liverpool

Henry McKenna 1874, Q2,8b,115,Liverpool.

Cass

Hi,In the 1891 census;A possible match for you,although some transcription error's regarding exact birth year/spelling of surname/place of birth.

Henry McKenna c 1876 ,Liverpool,Lancs..@ Birkdale Farm School,Birkdale,Lancashire.

Classified as,"Scholar under detention".

Mary McKinna c 1878,Liverpool,Lancs @ 49,Peel Street,Toxteth Park,Liverpool.

Classified as "Inmate" in Girls Home.


Cass

It's a story that had been passed down the family that Mary was born in 1877/1878, she was, that Henry was born in 1874, he was, that the father left them with a Mrs McManus when Sarah died , cos he had to go to sea, he did. Sarah died whilst Mary was 18mnths old,therefore I don't see that the above Sarah could be correct especially when they don't appear in the 1881 census.

What is rather odd is that there is a family in 1881 census called Mc Kenney. Father William, Mother Sarah , Henry b1874, Mary b1878, but all listed as born in Dublin, and William not being sailor. We are sure the children were born in Liverpool.

How do you know about Sarah? I wonder if this is who you have in mind?

1891 England Census

Name: Sarah McKenna
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland

Civil parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: Lancashire

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Martin

Sarah McKenna 50
Mary McKenna 12

Jan

Hi,Can you tell me where you looked ?

Cass

William would have at the latest been born in 1858, i think when i looked every william was too young, or too old. He would have been at the very least 36 when he died.

Hi,There are several William McKenna death registration's, between 1894 & 1899.

What site/s have you been viewing to suggest there are no death record's?.

Here's a few from "Ancestry"

William McKenna 1895,Q1,8b,130,Liverpool
" 1896,Q1,8b,14,Liverpool
" 1898,Q1,8b,67,Liverpool.

Can you tell me how you know that Sarah died 1878 ish,?.

Cass

Well, where do i begin, we believe he was married to a Sarah, possibly surname Flannery. The wife died in 1878ish, we have not been able to find her birth,death or marriage.Williams name and address is mentioned as next of kin to his son Henry b 1874,when he joined the army in 1894, but is deceased when his son married in 1907 and is also deceased when his daughter mary b1878 married in 1899. William does not seem to appear in any census, henry doesn't appear in any census until 1911 and mary doesn't appear in any census till she is married.Both Henry and mary we believe were put in separate homes/orphages because William was always away, which is probably why we can't find them on the censuses.

David, was he married? If so, have you found his wife as a widow?
Would help to know roughly when he was born and to post census details of when you last found him.
EDIT looking at your post, I am wondering how you have come across him in the first place?
Jan