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Thanks everyone - birth certificate arrived today and it shows Frank Butler as the father - so looks like you were right Patricia

Now I can see if I can go further up the chain

Thanks again everyone x

You might be better editting your title to "New search"

This gives you a very basic free search:
http://www.lookuppeople.co.uk/

Thanks All

Does anyone have access to the electrol Roll? If so could you please help - I'm also trying to find Maxwell Anderson born 28th Aug 1927, New Machar, Scotland.

Last known residence was in Aldershot in the 1960's he married Doris Jean Tucker in last 1/4 1962.

I can't seem to find either of them on the death records - there was a Doris Jean Anderson who died in 2005 in East Sussex but that's not the correct one.

I don't have access to the ER so not sure how it works or what information you guys need

Thanks

Hannah does not come up on 1911 census as either Bowen or Butler born 1882 + or - 2 yeas except in the one posted by Patricia which seems to me to fit the bill but the birth cert will reveal all

Maybe they had more children than we originally thought??

I'll see what the certificate comes up with and take it from there!

Frank and David Butler are on the 1911 census that I found.

Only death for a Trevor Butler between 1913 and 1917 is in Leeds.

Yea I think so Michael - I've ordered the one I think is my Granddad's - will see what that comes back with

Thanks everyone for your help - I'll come back for me if I get stuck once certificate is here - if that's ok

Only choice is to buy a birth cert for one of the children you know to belong your family and see who is named as the father

Births Mar 1912

Butler Gwilym J - Bowen - Pontypridd 11a 1399

I think the only real way of finding out who Hannah married would be to order my GF's birth certificate.

Hannah & Butler didn't have kids until 1912ish and she remarried in 1917 - so could be 1908 marriage - unless they had children earlier - I believe I'm still missing 2 Butler siblings. I think there was a brother called Frank Butler & maybe David Butler too?

Patricia - not sure if that's them as I do not recognise any of the siblings names - would be before my GD was born - we always thought he was one of the oldest siblings. We thing Butler/Bowen had about 5 kids together.

Michael - could be that one I guess - would fit with the 1882 birth of HB - makes her 26yrs old ish

or this ???????????

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Marriages Sep 1900

***********Bowen Hannah Pontypridd 11a 920
*************Butler Frank Pontypridd 11a 920
Morris Jane Pontypridd 11a 920
Watkins Frank Pontypridd 11a 920

Yea I went through the list of Hannah Bowens marriages - was a bit of a mine field - only match up I could find was John Butler in 1890 - Merthyr Tydfil.

There was talk that my GR GF wasn't from Wales but not sure on that for def

Not this one then ????????

Marriages Jun 1908

***************Bowen Blodwen Merthyr T 11a 1348
***************BUTLER Thomas John Merthyr T. 11a 1348
DAVIES Sarah Ann Merthyr T. 11a 1348
Thomas Benjamin Merthyr T. 11a 1348

Hannah Bowen to Butler marriage:
Marriages Sep 1900
Bowen Hannah Pontypridd 11a 920
Butler Frank Pontypridd 11a 920
Morris Jane Pontypridd 11a 920
Watkins Frank Pontypridd 11a 920

which looks like this family:
BUTLER, Frank Head Married M 30 1881 Colliery Surface Labourer Cheltenham Gloster
BUTLER, Hannah Wife Married 10 years F 29 1882 Cheltenham Tylorstown
BOWEN, Mary Mother In Law Widow F 66 1845 Cheltenham Tylorstown
BUTLER, Rachel Ann Daughter F 9 1902 Cheltenham Tylorstown
BUTLER, Virtue Daughter F 7 1904 Cheltenham Tylorstown
BUTLER, David James Son M 5 1906 Cheltenham Tylorstown
BUTLER, Florence Ethel Daughter F 3 1908 Cheltenham Tylorstown
BUTLER, Frank Son M 1 (17 MONTHS) 1910 Cheltenham Tylorstown
LORENZ, Frederickk Boarder Single M 40 1871 Bread-Baker London Fulham
BUTLER, James Boarder Single M 18 1893 Colliery Miner Cutter Cheltenham Glos
TWINNING, Charles Boarder Single M 18 1893 Colliery Miner Cutter Cheltenham Glos
RG number: RG14 Piece: 32392 Reference: RG14PN32392 RG78PN1853B RD589 SD4 ED64 SN318
Registration District: Pontypridd Sub District: Rhondda Enumeration District: 64 Parish: Rhondda
Address: 39 Edmund Street Tylorstown Glam Wales County: Glamorganshire

Added:
Census actually has births for family in Glamorgan, apart from Frank who is Cheltenham Gloucester.

I think it's the latter one born in Pontypridd. Bowen was definately her maiden name and my GF was Trevor John Butler.

Patricia - not sure about place of birth for Hannah - I came up with a couple on the 1891 census in Wales but not Pontypridd.

We have my GF DOB as 05/12/1912 - Trevor J Butler.

I think Hannah was born about 1882 - she died in 1960 at the age of 78

Name: Trevor J Butler
Birth: Mar 1913 - Pontypridd, Glamorgan, Mid Glamorgan

Mothers Maiden Name: Bowen


Only trevor Butler Marriage before your grandfathers birth was
Name: Trevor Patrick G Butler
Marriage: Jun 1898 - Holborn, London, Middlesex


Theres quite a few Hannah Bowen marriages for before your G dad's birth too! (most in Glamorgan!)

Let's start from what you 'know'........ which one of these is 'your's' ??


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Births Jun 1912 (>99%)
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Butler Trevor Jones Pontypridd 11a 1031

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Births Mar 1913 (>99%)........ I 'presume' this one ??
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Butler Trevor J Bowen Pontypridd 11a 1292

Dea x

Have you got a date and place of birth for Hannah Bowen?
Thanks