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I am looking for information please in regards to my GRGR grandfather,
Williams Marks born in 1878,in Morriston,Swansea West Glamorgan.
I found him on the 1911 census and he was living in 55 Crown Street Morriston SWansea,
i also found his wife Catherine Marks born in 1879 but i dont know her maiden name.
I also found a daughter living there called Mary Maud Marks born 1898 and she was in school .
Williams job title is a Shippper at the Steel and Tin works.
I had originally assumed they were from Penzance in Cornwall but by the looks of it they were not.
What im intereseted in finding out is Mary Maud Marks went on to have a daughter named Dorothy marks born in 1915 in morriston swansea.
At a later date i discovered at a family grave that there was an Alice Marks burried there?
i canno find the link in regards to this Alice Marks,my family have heard of an Alice but never a Mary MAUD?
i would be ever so grateful if anyone could offer some help in getting to the bottom of this .
many thanks helen x

To know if Mary is the Mum of Dorothy would be to buy her B/C

But it is better to work backwards rather than work forwards

yes mary is deffinately the mum of dorothy as i have her birth cert.
the birth was registered on 29th may 1915 in swansea.
and the address is also the same,its the alice marks that im stumped on x

Sorry..am with you now........Did it have a birth date for Alice on the headstone

posting the 1911 census for reference -


MARKS, William Head Married M 33 1878 Shipper Glamorgan Morriston VIEW
MARKS, Catherine Wife Married
7 years F 32 1879 Glamorgan Morriston VIEW
MARKS, Mary Maud Daughter Single F 13 1898 School Glamorgan Morriston VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
32751 Reference:
RG14PN32751 RG78PN1869 RD594 SD2 ED14 SN355

Registration District:
Swansea Sub District:
Llangafelach Enumeration District:
14 Parish:
Swansea

Address:
55 Crown St Morriston County:
Glamorganshire

I'm not sure of Welsh areas, but -
On the 1911 census William and Catherine have been married 7 years -


Marriages Jun 1904 (>99%)
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Hopkins Mary Brecknock 11b 143
*****Lewis Catherine Brecknock 11b 143
*****Marks William Brecknock 11b 143
Thomas John Jenkins Brecknock 11b 143

no it didnt sorry.
i only know that she passed away at the age of 67 yrs.
in swansea .
at the time the address was different also but in morriston as well.
its hard as i dont know catherines maiden name,but when i did an advanced search i found a catherine lewis in morriston and on the 1901 census she was living in woodfield street morriston in lodgings with a family and she had a daughter named alice may who was born in 1897 birth reg on 5th october in swansea.
alice was born in the union workhouse in swansea and it states that her mum catherine was a tinplate cleaner.
i dont know if there is a link between theses of if they are a seperate family altogether?

thanks choccy ,
this is the exact info i had yesterday.
its the same family for definate but its the alice marks thats stumping me as i cant fine her at all xxx

the dates of birth between alice may and mary maud are rather close alice was born on 29th august 1897 in swansea and mary maud was born in 1898 in morriston,swansea.
i really dont know if theses two are seperate families or if they are the same person?

Maybe the best this to do is get the B/C's for both Alice & Mary

the 1 i have for alice i got over 5 years ago thats how long its taken me to search on and off.
it doesnt help much either as there is no mention of a husband or father on the birth cert for alice,or the 1 for mary maud.
plus the catherine lewis i have on alices birth cert just put a x for her name .

Can you post the 1901 as im not picking them up

alice may lewis --1901 census--
age in 1901 --1 yrs old
born morriston glamorgan wales
civil parish swansea
parish Llangyfelach
county glamorgan

household members
allen jenkins aged 26
jane jenkins aged 1
john jenkins aged 30
sarah j jenkins aged 2 months
alice may lewis aged 1
catherine lewis aged 28

the jenkins family resided at 104b woodfield street morriston swansra

yet on this 1901 census alice may is stated as being born in 1900/1901.
the birth cert i have staes that she was born 29th august 1897?

Ok so next question

how do you know that it is the same Catherine if you don't know Catherines surname......Have you Marys B/C

no i havent got marys birth cert.
my mum mentioned some time ago that there was a catherine in our family who lived at 55 crwon street morriston and spoke both welsh and english.
she aslo mentioned that william was her father and that he had passed away when she was 14,my mums year of birth was 1941.
however when i did a lot more research i discovered that william was in fact her grandfather not her father.
so i know there is the possibilty that i could have yet again searched on the wronf family but its the alice that keeps coming up all the time.
my family have never heard of a mary maud as i have asked them all and its the alice that they have always known.
alice died in morriston and was living at another address with her family?

I can't find a birth record for Mary Maud 1898 nor find her on 1901 census.
Where was William marks 1901,his parents were Daniel 1857 and Mary 1859.
1891 census says William born Rhonda and he is a tin worker.

It looks to me as though Alice May and Mary Maud are one in the same person especially as no one in your family as ever heard of Mary Maud.

Have you found a marriage or death for Mary Maud?

Maryb

On the marriage that Choccy put up for William Marks and Catherine Lewis there was also a Thomas Jenkins marriaed at the same time. Catherine Lewis is living with a family of Jenkins as a lodger on the 1901 census with a daughter Alice May Lewis and Catherine is single. Could this be the Alice that people remember born out of wedlock and when Catherine married she may have taken the Marks surname.

If your family know about Dorothy and her Mum was Mary, then why does your family not know about Mary

Yet you say your family know of an Alice, but you have only just found out about her

How do you know the Catherine in the 1901 is the same lady as the 1911

Which family was Alice living with when she died in 1964,she died as Alice M Marks,so prosumebly she didn't marry.

Maryb