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1841 and 1851 census PLEASE

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Allan

Allan Report 29 May 2010 06:30

To Mrs Crumpy, Margaret, Lancashire Ann THANK YOU for your help with my Nancy Tattersall who was the sister to my ancestor Henry Tattersall bc 1821 Haslingden Lancashire son and daughter of James Tattersall and Tabitha Rawstron. I was hoping that John and Nancy Hindle was listed in the 1841 and 1851 census that would have given me their childrens names but the records have shown that there are too many John and Nancy Hindle. I feel that Nancy Hindle may have died young and that her widow husband John remarried but I have no threads which may guide me at the moment. THANK YOU once again.
Allan

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 28 May 2010 21:28

The nancy tattersall marriage both of the couple are from Haslingden

Marriage: 20 Apr 1829 St James, Haslingden, Lancashire, England
John Hindle - (X), of Haslingden
Nancy Tattersall - (X), of Haslingden
Witness: Richard Wallwork; Thos Wilding
Married by Banns with consent of parents by: William Grey Minister
Register: Marriages 1815 - 1829, Entry 802
Source: LDS Film 1068836Marriage: 5 Feb 1830 St Mary the Virgin, Blackburn, Lancashire, England

How did you get back to this family please. With the mmn now available on lancsbmd it may be easier to restart at a later point to identify the right children.

There are rather a lot of John Hindle, weaver, marriages - 2 examples below + the 2nd poss marriage. I thought at first that the witnesses may be a clue, but they may be 'professional' witnesses as they both appear on many of the marriages of the time.

John Hindle - (X), Weaver Bachelor of this parish
Nancy Yates - (X), Spinster of this parish
Witness: Joseph Fairbrother; James Nevill
Married by Banns by: J Blackhouse
Register: Marriages 1827 - 1829, Page 18, Entry 53
Source: LDS Film 1278807

Marriage: 23 Feb 1830 St Mary the Virgin, Blackburn, Lancashire, England
John Hindle - (X), Weaver Bachelor of this parish
Ellen Jackson - (X), Spinster of this parish
Witness: Joseph Fairbrother; James Neville
Married by Banns by: Jackson Porter
Register: Marriages 1827 - 1829, Page 38, Entry 112
Source: LDS Film 1278807

Marriage: 25 Dec 1835 St Mary the Virgin, Blackburn, Lancashire, England
John Hindle - (X), Weaver Widower of this Parish
Nancy Whitehead Isherwood - (X), Spinster of this Parish
Witness: Joseph Fairbrother; James Neville
Married by Banns by: Richard Burnet
Register: Marriages 1835 - 1837, Page 139, Entry 415
Source: LDS Film Film 1278808

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 28 May 2010 18:43

You could still be right, Allan. That 1835 marriage to Nancy Isherwood does say that the husband was previously married. He could have married Nancy Tattersall first.

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 28 May 2010 18:27

the baptism of the Nancy Isherwood in margarets 1835 marriage

Baptisms: 15 Jul 1812 St Mary the Virgin, Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Nancy Whitehead Isherwood - Daughter of James Isherwood & Ann
Abode: Blackburn
Register: Baptisms 1792 - 1812, Page 368, Entry 30
Source: Film 1278804

all the children in Margarets 1851 census are on lancsbmd with mmn = Isherwood

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 28 May 2010 18:20

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1842
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
HINDLE Mary Blackburn Blackburn HESKETH B/14/45
HINDLE Mary Blackburn Blackburn ISHERWOOD B/12/70

If you use lancashirebmd.org.uk, it has now been updated to shown the maiden name of the mother on all birth regs in Blackburn

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 28 May 2010 18:18

the 1851 Nancy

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1851
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
HINDLE Nancy Blackburn Blackburn ISHERWOOD B/43/24

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 28 May 2010 14:01

I would have thought that a marriage in Blackburn would be more likely since both John & Nancy were born there.
Like Jill, I wonder if these are direct ancestors and, if so, which child are you descended from? I find it's always easier to work backwards than forward.

Jill 2011 (aka Warrior Princess of Cilla!)

Jill 2011 (aka Warrior Princess of Cilla!) Report 28 May 2010 13:27

John and Nancy marriage ...

If your John married Nancy Tattersall in 1829 it does seem a little odd that their first child appears to be born in 1837 ... they could have been extremely unlucky and lost several children between 1830 and 1837 but ...

Are these your direct ancestors? Or are you trying to come forwards from a sibling of an ancestor?

Jill

Jill 2011 (aka Warrior Princess of Cilla!)

Jill 2011 (aka Warrior Princess of Cilla!) Report 28 May 2010 13:25

This is likely the birth cert of Nancy - 1m old on the 1851 census:

Births Mar 1851 (>99%)
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Hindle Nancy Blackburn 21 33


It would confirm mum's maiden name.


Jill

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 28 May 2010 13:21

I was going to suggest that you order a birth certificate for one of the children to ascertain mother's maiden name but there are just too many Hindles in Blackburn to find the right one.

Allan

Allan Report 28 May 2010 13:17

Thank You Margaret for helping me with John and Nancy Hindle. I am not sure which records belong I started with Nancy Tattersall who married John Hindle 1829 Haslingden Lancashire... there is a chance that theJohn and Nancy Hindle located in the 1841 and 1851 census may not belong.
Thank you for all your help
Allan

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 28 May 2010 13:11

There's this marriage on BVRI:

HINDLE, John Marriage
Wife: Nancy Whitehead ISHERWOOD
Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1835 Recorded in: Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Collection: St Mary the Virgin
Husband previously married
Source: FHL Film 1278808 Dates: 1831 - 1854 Note: Additional Data in Original Record

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 28 May 2010 13:07

John's birth? On BVRI:

HINDLE, John Christening
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 15 Oct 1807
Christening Date: 1 Nov 1807 Recorded in: Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Collection: St Paul
Mother: Betty HINDLE
Source: FHL Film 1470927 Dates: 1792 - 1831

Allan

Allan Report 28 May 2010 13:04

Could be a mix up with marriages I believe that my Nancy Tattersall married John Hindle 1829 Haslingden according to the OPC Lancashire.
Cheers
Allan

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 28 May 2010 13:01

1851 census
21 Jack Croft, Blackburn, Lancashire
John Hindle, head, 43, loomer
Nancy, wife, 34, cotton weaver
Thomas, son, 14, throstle spinner
Mary, dau, 9, Sunday scholar?
Ann, dau, 7, "
Elizabeth, dau, 4, "
Nancy, dau, 1 month
James, brother, widower, 34, labourer
Samuel Shaw, lodger. widower, 50, loomer
All born Blackburn except lodger.

Allan

Allan Report 28 May 2010 12:59

Thank You Mrs GRUMPY and NETTY for the 1841 and 1851 census records.
Cheers Allan

Jill 2011 (aka Warrior Princess of Cilla!)

Jill 2011 (aka Warrior Princess of Cilla!) Report 28 May 2010 12:59

Spotted this on Familysearch (you would need to verify it as it's submitted):

John HINDLE (AFN: 2JKN-CK) Pedigree
Sex: M Family


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Event(s)
Birth: Abt. 1822
England

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Parents
Father: HINDLE (AFN: BSLK-06) Family
Mother:


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Marriage(s)
Spouse: Nancy OLDHAM (AFN: 2JKN-DQ) Family
Marriage: Abt 1842
Accrington, Lancashire, England


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Submitter(s) Details

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Jill 2011 (aka Warrior Princess of Cilla!)

Jill 2011 (aka Warrior Princess of Cilla!) Report 28 May 2010 12:56

1841:

John is a weaver

Address is "Croft"

Jill

Allan

Allan Report 28 May 2010 12:56

Thank You Margaret Manson for the christenings..I had located Mary Hindle but not the other two children.
Cheers
Allan

Netty

Netty Report 28 May 2010 12:56

This family all born Blackburn, Lancs.

1851

Name: Nancy Hindle
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1812
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Blackn, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Blackburn
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 21 Jack? Croft

Occupation: Cotton Weaver.

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Blackburn
Sub-registration district: Blackburn
ED, institution, or vessel: 1tt
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 87

John Hindle 43 Occ Loomer.
Nancy Hindle 39
Thomas Hindle Son.14
Mary Hindle 9 Dau.
Ann Hindle 7 Dau.
Elizebeath Hindle 4 Dau.
Nancy Hindle 1 Mo Dau.
James Hindle 34 Brother. Widow.
Samuel Shaw 50 Lodger.


Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2259; Folio: 776; Page: 32; GSU roll: 87282-87283.