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On TTF today ... where I duplicated the research of the 1911 census for the family of REM born 1911, for starters ...

Graham,

Below may be the missing child, the information Mrs Grumpy with reference to the wedding of William & Elizabeth sent you states his father was a William Moon and a Printer.


1911 census - household transcription
Person: MOON, Anne Elizabeth
Address: 32 Scovell Road Southwark London S E

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Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
image

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MOON, William James Head Widower M 62 1849 Lithographic Printer Confectioner London Newington VIEW
MOON, Florence Maud Daughter Single F 26 1885 Collar Machinist London Southwark VIEW
MOON, Robert William Son Single M 20 1891 Engineers Fitter London Southwark VIEW
MOON, Anne Elizabeth Granddaughter F 4 1907 London Southwark VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
1791 Reference:
RG14PN1791 RG78PN63 RD23 SD3 ED19 SN32

Registration District:
Southwark Sub District:
St George the Martyr West Enumeration District:
19 Parish:
Southwark St George the Martyr

Address:
32 Scovell Road Southwark London S E County:
London



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Hi graham,

No it will not be Rose, I have sent you the census dates below for future reference.

My guess is it will be a Moon birth poss between 1906/7 to 1909 probably in Southwark. According to free BMD there are quite a few so it is a process of trawling through the census for any likely suspects, will post you what I found and it may ring a few bells!


1801 Census Tuesday 10th March 1801
1811 Census Monday 27th May 1811
1821 Census Monday 28th May 1821
1831 Census Sunday 29th May 1831
1841 Census Sunday 6th June 1841
1851 Census Sunday 30th March 1851
1861 Census Sunday 7th April 1861
1871 Census Sunday 2nd April 1871
1881 Census Sunday 3rd April 1881
1891 Census Sunday 5th April 1891
1901 Census Sunday 31st March 1901
1911 Census Sunday 2nd April 1911
1921 Census Sunday 19th June 1921
1931 Census Sunday 26th April 1931
1941 Census -- see note below --
1951 Census Sunday 8th April 1951
1961 Census Sunday 23rd April 1961
1971 Census Sunday 25th April 1971
1981 Census Sunday 5th April 1981
1991 Census Sunday 21st April 1991
2001 Census Sunday 29th April 2001

Hi Graham,

Sorry for the delay just logged back on. Sometimes with a second marriage the bride still uses her own maiden name instead of first married name, ( as my own sister did ) maybe that has happened here if the other marriage is correct??

Sorry The only way to find out is to actually buy the cert, ( if you think it's her ) then it should state her martial status, spinster, widow etc and it should also state her father's name.

Hope this helps

Gwyn has explained the birth you were confused over.

Good luck!
:-)

Graham
The reference to Rose E can be found on the freebmd site.
This is really useful for checking GRO listings up to around 1935 ish.

Births Mar 1912

Moon Rose E ..Williams ..St.Olave 1d 357

This means that a birth was registered for a Rose E. MOON in the March quarter of 1912 in St Olave district and her mother's maiden name was WILLIAMS.
This would be the correct quarter most likely for a birth so late in December.

Have a look here....

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

Gwyn

Liverbird1,
just going through the details of you post and notice that d.o.b
for Rose Eleanor Burchett is spot on but you note that this may be 2nd marriage ???.
How do I confirm whether this is first or second ?
The last paragraph is spot on true
,james william moon and Elizabeth ann moon ( nee williams )married in 1904 are Rose Eleanor Moons parents but a little confused as to Moon Rose E Williams St Olave 1d357.

Thanks for your help

Ann
I don't know what time and date a census is done on or if the young babies are on census but I think the missing name is Rose Eleanor who was born 30/12/1911. This is not the same as ellena born in 1905.. All the other details are the same .
I have a BC with Rose Eleanors parents on .
Many thanks for your post
Graham

Graham,

Noticed on the 1911 census I posted you that there was a gap between the 2 children.......according to the original there were 3 children born and no deaths........so 1 child missing from household?

Annx

Hi Graham

Ancestry have a lot of London Parish Records on line.

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813–1906 - New
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754–1921 - New
London, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813–1980 - New
London, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538–1812 - New

The first three are indexed which helps (allowing for mistranscriptions). The last set are not indexed but can be searched ...

Not all parishes are on there but if you have London ancestors it is a blessing.

Do you want the original scan of that marriage? Send me a PM (click on my name) with your e-mail address and I will send it over.

I'm off to save it for you ...

Jill

Thanks for your help Mrs Grumpy,
These names i am aware of but your details seem far more accurate than the ones i've got. Is it possible to see online the details you mention at the London archives ? This seems like a good area of research which i have not visited yet .Can you advise me if marriage and death certificates for the last 100 years are available online or do you need to travel to london to view in person?
Many Thanks
Graham

The marriage that Liverbird found:

ames William Moon
Spouse Name: Elizabeth Ann Williams
Record Type: Banns
Event Date: 18 Dec 1905
Parish: St John the Evangelist, Ladbroke Grove
County: Middlesex
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea

Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint John The Evangelist, Walworth, Register of banns of marriage, P92/JN, Item 061

They were both 24.

James was a labourer. Elizabeth was a machinist. Address (for both) 15 Deacon Street.

James' father - William James Moon - printer
Elizabeth's father - Charles Williams - labourer

Wits: W Lawlor and F/H Moon.


Jill

Welcome to the site !
You're doing fine Graham...

A general thank you to all is OK, perhaps with special mention of anything that looks particularly promising.
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Each time something is added, it will bring this thread back to the top of the board again.
Check back from time to time incase more posts are made.

Once you post a message on these boards, there is often a reply within minutes, so it is best to post questions / searches when you have time to be around to answer any further questions that helpers might need to ask to aid their search.

Gwyn

Thanks Clitheroelass.
Plenty of info to go on. Your names are the ones that i have been searching but other post have given me a different married name , I now have to sort out the correct one.
Many Thanks
Graham

Thanks Liverbird1,
Lots of info here giving me plenty to go on. Please can you advise me whether to thank people personally or post a single reply, ? I'm not sure what the protocol is when so many kind people are willing to help

Many thanks
Graham

Thanks Ann,
Lots of info here . Lots of replies coming in, all i have to do is piece together the facts and ill keep progressing

Many thanks
Graham

found this death???

Name: Rose Eleanor Burchett
Birth Date: 30 Dec 1911
Death Registration Month/Year: Oct 1998
Age at death (estimated): 86
Registration district: Wandsworth
Inferred County: London
Register number: A94A
District and Subdistrict: 2561A
Entry number: 177



poss 2nd marr???

Name: Rose E Moon
Spouse Surname: Henry A Burchett
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1941
Registration district: Croydon
Registration county (inferred): Surrey
Volume Number: 2a
Page Number: 2045


Births Mar 1912 (>99%)
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Moon Rose E Williams St.Olave 1d 357




Parent's poss marr

Marriages Dec 1904 (>99%)
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Hutchins James Henry Southwark 1d 218
>>>>>>>>>>Moon James William Southwark 1d 218
Pearson Lily Southwark 1d 218
>>>>>>>>Williams Elizabeth Ann Southwark 1d 218

pm sent

Graham,

Not sure if you have this info relating to 187 Guiness Buildings?

1911 census - household transcription
Person: MOON, Elizabeth
Address: 187 Guinness Buildings P W Bermondsey

Cost:
You will be charged 10 credits for a transcript and 30 credits for an image, unless you have purchased a subscription for this set of records.


census search results 1911 address search redefine current search
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
image

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MOON, James William Head Married M 29 1882 Printers Labourer London Southwark VIEW
MOON, Elizabeth Wife Married
6 years F 30 1881 London Southwark VIEW
MOON, Ellena Daughter F 6 1905 School London Southwark VIEW
MOON, William Son M 1 1910 London Southwark VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
1883 Reference:
RG14PN1883 RG78PN67 RD24 SD2 ED16 SN181

Registration District:
St Olave (Bermondsey) Sub District:
Bermondsey Enumeration District:
16 Parish:
Bermondsey

Address:
187 Guinness Buildings P W Bermondsey County:
London



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Have you tried a search on this site to see if anyone else is looking for the family - free bmd has bmd records online
Liz

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
about Rose E Moon
Name: Rose E Moon
Spouse Surname: Shepherd
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1939
Registration district: Hammersmith
Registration county (inferred): London
Volume Number: 1a
Page Number: 662
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England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
about Ernest L Shepherd
Name: Ernest L Shepherd
Spouse Surname: Moon
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1939
Registration district: Hammersmith
Registration county (inferred): London
Volume Number: 1a
Page Number: 662
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