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Thankyou Minnie.
There is a very strong possibility that my cousin has got her names scrambled. We were talking about our grandfathers (brothers), and she was totally confused to a lot of things and had people mixed up, so I can't rely on her for accuracy.
I may be able to contact another relative who would have a bit more information, and a lot more reliable.
Thankyou very much for your help everyone. Until I can get proof, I will leave the search for now, and come back when we can continue with some correct names.

I just did a search and found the marriages..no Clem there.
All of the Evans children would fit in with Martha, even the one born in Hackney. If Martha was Dora's sister, then Martha could well have been visiting Dora in Hackney as Dora was married in 1936.

Marriages Sep 1932

Evans Thomas Hahn Sunderland 10a 1341
Hahn Martha Evans Sunderland 10a 1341

Marriages Mar 1935

Childs Ralph Hahn Sunderland 10a 930
Davies Elizabeth Hume Sunderland 10a 930
Hahn Elizabeth A Childs Sunderland 10a 930
Hume Percy Davies Sunderland 10a 930

Births Sep 1933
EVANS Gordon Hahn Sunderland 10a 895

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Births Dec 1934
Evans Martha Hahn Sunderland 10a 858
Evans Thomas Hahn Sunderland 10a 858

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Births Jun 1937

Evans Derek Hahn Sunderland 10a 932


Births Mar 1936Evans Dora Hahn Hackney 1b 587

Fantastic, then we could very well be on the right track. I can't get hold of my cousin now, so will have to wait 'til tomorrow and hope she comes online.
What surname did she have the twins with Gwyn? If her husband isn't Clem, then Elizabeth should have been married to him..that is if Cuz got his name right.
Thankyou.

Wendy

Using that site it looks as if Martha had the twins.

Gwyn

Ahh, yes, I did have it, just scrolled too far on my notes page..TY. I am wondering if my cousin is guessing at Thelma, and it is Martha.
If they are correct, then one of them married someone called Clem. And one of them had twins.

The ones I posted are all from Free BMD.

Martha, Elizabeth E and Dora.

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl


You will also find the marriage for Martha on there and possible children for her.

Christine

Wendy
Go to this page and click on births

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

Then just put in HAHN in the surname box....and NEWBOLD in the spouse / mother's surname box.... Nothing else

Then click FIND

Gwyn

I have done a search on BMD and listed all Hahns in Sunderland 1900-1930..Only 1 Dora and 1 apparent sibling.
I will have to wit for my cousin to come back online to see if she may have made a mistake.

Christine, I can't find Elizabeth on Freebmd. Have you found Dora?

Hi Wendy,

Sorry for the confusion about the birth registration of Elizabeth.
She probably was a sister to Dora.

Here are the 3 births.

Births Sep 1911 (>99%)
Hahn Martha Newbold Sunderland 10a 1476


Births Jun 1913 (>99%)
Hahn Elizabeth E Newbold Sunderland 10a 1478


Births Mar 1915 (99%)
HAHN Dora Newbold Sunderland 10a 1452

According to the details Gwyn found, Dora's birthdate was 28th Nov 1914. That could fit with a 1st Qtr 1915 registration as you were allowed 6 weeks to register the birth.

To be sure of her parents names you need her birth cert.

Christine

Dora's sister Martha may have had twins in 1934... Check the freebmd site to find details of her marriage registration and possible births of children.

Gwyn

Elizabeth was registered in the June quarter of 1913.

Have a look for them on freebmd here....

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

She could well be a sibling, ..or a cousin, ..or possibly just a coincidence.
She has a different year, quarter and page number, ..so not a twin.

NB
Look in Search Trees towards the top of the page. Someone has Elizabeth in their tree.

EDIT
This link to Australia archives shows a birthdate for Dora, ...but I have known transcriptions to be poor.

http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/Items_listing.asp?S=1&F=1&O=0&T=I&C=2

Gwyn

"Hahn Elizabeth E Newbold Sunderland 10a 1478
Births Mar 1915 (99%)"

Christine, how do we explain this entry???

Births Mar 1915 (99%)
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HAHN Dora Newbold Sunderland 10a 1452


Were they cousins? Twins?

My cousin told me that one of Dora's sister had twins. One of the twins died when he fell into a sewage pit and his boots filled up and dragged him down before they could save him!

Just had a general search for Dora, and find a birth, 1915 Sutherland..Dora Hahn..mother NEWBOLD.
I think you have all struck the right line.
Now to pinpoint her parents.
I have found a couple of Jacob Hahns from Germany, but age and location don't seem to fit.
Then again, my cousins could have mixed up her father and perhaps her grandfather.

Minnie, I am thinking, that Jacob Hahn from 1911 could be the father with a daughter.
Dora wasn't yet born.
I will check the messages frommy cousin to see if there's any more information there.

Christine, the Dora Newbold Hahn looks most interesting.
I have searched for variants of her name as in Endora, Dorathea, Doris etc, but the marriage record I found, which is correct, is Dora, so we must presume with that was her name and not an alternative.

Our grandparents (my cousins and myself), didn't tell us anything about their relatives or life in England. It is as if when the migrated here to Australia, they started afresh. No..there were no scandals or anything, but perhaps because they were in London during the blitz, and lost relatives to the war, they spoke little of England. I am lucky that my mum can remember certain people, but she was just 15 when they left, and her memory is fading.

My apologies, was called away.
Dora had a sister called Thelma. No we don't have any certificates.
My cousin oesn't know if Hahn was the stepfather (Harry) or the original father.
My cousins insist her father came from Germany, though both have given me varying information. I am trying to stay with actual information.

it looks s though Olive died

Deaths Mar 1930

Hahn Olive 20 Sunderland 10a 671

Dont think this is right

Marriages Sep 1932

Evans Thomas Hahn Sunderland 10a 1341
Hahn Martha Evans Sunderland 10a 1341
Hamilton William White Sunderland 10a 1341
White Jane A Hamilton Sunderland 10a 1341

There are other children with the same mmn but no Thelma.

Births Sep 1911 (>99%)
Hahn Martha Newbold Sunderland 10a 1476

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Jun 1913 (>99%)

Hahn Elizabeth E Newbold Sunderland 10a 1478
Births Mar 1915 (99%)

What was her step fathers name?

Christine