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Thank you for your kind offer, Helen had a look and agreed with me the last 2 names (Witnesses we think) are unreadable but we have the childs and parents names.
I might leave this line for now and come back to it when I have a bit more experience.
Im still an apprentice at this.
Thank you Shirley

Shirley, I agree with Helen, you have done very well to get so far back. As well as surnames being common, the Scottish naming pattern means that you can have several first cousins named for the grandparents!


If you still need help deciphering the writing let me know but I wouldn't be able to look at them before Wednesday - the next couple of days are spoken for!

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Thanks very much for all your help,If you have time could you have a look at my thread for Archibald Mcneil Please

Wait my clever son knows how.

Thanks, but how would i get them to you? The last one I purchased was from 1684 it looks like its written in latin if I didnt already know what I think it says you wouldnt have a clue.
Im pretty sure i have got a true line back to this one but I think I will have to call it a day unless someone can help me.
Shirley

Thanks Its just got so difficult now with the scottish side of my tree as there are so many families with the same names I dont know how to carry on with any certanty.
Shirley

Shirley, as a guide if you find an extracted entry on the IGI and you are fairly sure that it is your family then look at Scotlandspeople at the record. It may give a little more information. Most (but not all) of the Old Parish Records entries on Scotlandspeople are available on the IGI at www.familysearch.org This may save you a few credits. Many of the OPR entries are difficult to read, it just depends on how clear a writer recorded them.

Where there are two surnames this can indicate that the person was illegitimate and known by either of the surnames. Where a birth is listed under two surnames on the IGI it is worth looking at the original on SP as it will tell you if the parents were married.

Hope this helps and good luck.

Thanks for looking I spent hours on scotland people last night I bought so many certs but now im back into the 1740's they are unreadable.Seems like they took anyname they felt like its so complicated if you can help with anything on Christian Fraser I would be very grateful I used up all my credits AGAIN last night .THis is getting expensive Shirley

Ok I have had another look at this and boughts some certs. I have only two daughters Margaret and Catharine.
Elspats father I think was Thomas McConie on the birth records but she is alias McEachnie on the marriage certs
Her mother was Christian Fraser Can anyone help confirm this.

I have now got Catharines birth reg but forgot to say both parents has alias's John Macdonald /Mcneil (his parents name) Elspat Fraser/MacEackin not sure cant read it very well.

I have the birth register for margaret 14/3/1812 092/00100181Boleskine and Abertarff or Fort Augustus I am checking the others as I may have also picked up the wrong info. Any help would be great

I have the marriage as 15/6/1809 at Fort Augustus do we have two different families confused here.

The submitted record for Elspat and John gives her father's name as Donald

Sorry, I can't find a definite birth for Elspat. Is she on the 1841 census?

Christian was quite often used as a female first name in Scotland.

There is a submitted marriage on familysearch for John and Elspat. A marriage between John Macdonald and ? Fraser is also on scotlandspeople for the same date and place (16 Feb 1804, Urquhart). Sorry, but I don't have any credits to view the image.

That says Christian was female it there a mistake do you think?

Thankyou very much any details of her parents ?

There may have been more children. These are all the children of John Macdonald and Elspat Fraser (familysearch extracted records - they should also be on scotlandspeople, perhaps with a little more info):

1. DONALD MAC DONALD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 03 SEP 1806 Urquhart, Inverness, Scotland

2. WILLIAM MAC DONALD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 10 MAY 1817 Urquhart, Inverness, Scotland

3. CHRISTIAN MAC DONALD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 21 JUL 1809 Urquhart, Inverness, Scotland

4. HUGH MAC DONALD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 08 OCT 1811 Urquhart, Inverness, Scotland

5. ALEXR. MAC DONALD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 30 NOV 1819 Urquhart, Inverness, Scotland

And this one:

CATHARINE MACDONALD Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 10 MAY 1810 Boleskine, Inverness, Scotland

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: JOHN MACDONALD Family
Mother: ELSPAT FRASER

She was married to John Macdonald c1767 mother of Margaret, Donald, Catherine and William.

There are 19 people with that name showing born in 1790 in the Inverness shire area alone. Do you have any more details at all?