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I am trying to find my great Granny Mary - born 1856, she married Samual Ackerley in 1872, last heard of on the 1881 censors, on the 1891 censors Samual was with someone else. I cannot find Mary at all, can anyone help please?

where were they in 1881 Carol? is this them?

1881 England Census
about Bridget Mary Ackerley
Name: Bridget Mary Ackerley
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Samuel
Gender: Female
Where born: Queens Co, Ireland

Civil parish: Hulme
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 2 Regina Place
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: House

Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Hulme
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Ackerley 23
Bridget Mary Ackerley 22
Wm.Lawrence Ackerley

The marriage?

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1872 (>99%)
Ackerley Samuel Nantwich 8a 508
Mottram Mary Nantwich 8a 508

1881? with step father and mother

Name: Samuel Ackerley
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Relation: Step Son
Mother's Name: Martha
Gender: Male
Where born: Partington Bowdon

Civil parish: Partington
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address: Lock Lane
Education:

Employment status:

View image
Occupation: Paper Maker

Registration district: Altrincham
Sub-registration district: Lymm
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James Pollard 70
Martha Pollard 58
Samuel Ackerley 26
Mary Ellen Ackerley 23 b Partington
Peter Ackerley 20
Charles Ackerley 5

I dont think that 1881 can be right as both Samuel and Mary Ellen are shown as unmarried and therfore brother and sister rther than husband and wife

Well spotted Gillian - back to square one

We need Carol to come back and show where she found them in 1881 -I cant!

Mary Mottram b 1856 Dec Q Nantwich 8a 286

I can't see a couple that match either

Yes these are my ggrandparents, on the 1881 censors they were living at Park Farm, Handsworth. 1891 censors shows Samual with Sarah Lucy Owen either Mary died or remarried or changed her name and went back to live in Cheshire where her daughter Charlotte was, I cannot trace her at all.


Regards

Carol

Carol

The family living at Park Farm in 1881 appear to be James and Mary Ackerley and family including son Samuel. Is this your family

Kay

1881

Name: James Ackerley
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1845
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Bickerton, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Handsworth
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address: Park Farm Cottage
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

View image
Occupation: Farm Labourer

Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub-registration district: Handsworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James Ackerley 36
Mary Ackerley 25 b Bookley Cheshire
Charlotte Ackerley 8
Samuel Ackerley 7
Jane Ackerley 4
Henry Perkins 18

They have the names wrong on the 1881 census Samual is Mary's husband and James is their son. Samual and Mary are my ggrandparents, Charlotte Ackerley is my grandmother. On the 1891 census Charlotte reverts back to Mottram, her mothers maiden name, 1891 census Samual is with Sarah Lucy Owen, Mary either dies, remarries or changes her name, I cannot find what happened to her,

Regards

Carol

Info off Ancestry tree.
Charlotte born to Mary Mottram 14/7/1872.
Mary married Samuel 20/8/1872.
Mary died in Crewe Cheshire 1877 Samuel remarried 1878 he died 1897.
Charlotte died west Derby Lancs 1916.

The second wife of Samuel married William Henry Heath and had daughter Margaret Heath 1901.

Hope this helps.

Maryb

Hi
The 1881 census Samual and Mary were married, James was their son. I have all of this info, except Mary's death. Mary was alive on the 1881, this is not my Mary who died in 1877. I have searched everyway I can, I even asked Cheshire records and they told me was no record for Mary. I traced Samual back to Crewe. Thank you for your help.

Regards

Carol

I will try again,Samuel married again in 1887 to the Sarah he is with in 1891.He died 1897.

Maryb

So where did James 1873 and Jane 1877 go?
As they are not with Samuel in 1891.

Maryb

Cannot find a birth for James 1873/4 in Smethwick but there is Samuel 1873 Smethwick he married Catherine lea in 1895.
1891 North Farm Sutton Cheshire farm servant next door but one to John Ackerley born Bickerton 1843?
This could be Samuel 1850's brother John born 1838.

This looks like your Samuel/James in 1911


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ACKERLEY, Samuel Head Married M 37 1874 Farm Labourer Smethwick Birmingham VIEW
ACKERLEY, Catherine Wife Married
15 years F 40 1871 Buckerton Parish Cheshire VIEW
ACKERLEY, Mary Daughter F 14 1897 Domestic Servant Buckerton Parish Cheshire VIEW
ACKERLEY, Edith Daughter F 12 1899 School Buckerton Parish Cheshire VIEW
ACKERLEY, Alice Daughter F 10 1901 School Buckerton Parish Cheshire VIEW
ACKERLEY, John Son M 7 1904 School Buckerton Parish Cheshire VIEW
ACKERLEY, Ruth Daughter F 5 1906 School Buckerton Parish Cheshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
16244 Reference:
RG14PN16244 RG78PN1006 RD353 SD2 ED3 SN5

Registration District:
Whitchurch Sub District:
Malpas Enumeration District:
3 Parish:
Duckington

Address:
Duckington Malpas Cheshire County:
Shropshire

Hi

I think they went with Mary but I can't find Mary. I found James who married Catherine Lea, Samual was his father, the names are mixed up. John 1838 is Samual's brother, John born 1843 could be a cousin, but I will check it out or just another error on the census. I cannot find Jane.

Thanks for coming back to me.

Regards

Carol

Hi

This is not my Samual, thank you for trying to help me. I have not been in this area before so I am a little lost.

Regards

Carol

Hi Carol,which is not your Samuel.

I'am finding this a little difficult.

1881 you say James is Samuel born 1850 and they had son James 1873 not Samuel as stated.
There is no birth for James 1873 but there is a Samuel Smethwick Staffs.

1891 The Samuel son 1873 is living next door but one to his Uncle John brother of his dad Samuel.

1861 William Ackerley born 1813 Bickerton
Mary 1809 Duckington
JOHN 1838 on 1891 census with different birth year but on previuos census it is @ 1838/9 He married Martha White.
Ann 1840
SAMUEL Bickerton 1850 who married Mary Mottram.
Is the above the correct family.

Sorry for all the quiestions but just need to get my head round your info.

Maryb