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Can any one help please Eliza was married to a charles redfern when her husband died she married a John Harvey Kirk his father was a Joseph Kirk.Eliza and John married in Rotherham in 1870 he was 52 and she was 48.on their wedding certificate her father was John lee and last name was i think shol?shoe can not make it out.can any one help with the last name please.thanks

Have you found Eliza on any census that could help to trace her? When was her first marriage roughly please?

Correct family 1861?

John Kirk as lodger

1861 England Census
about Eliza Redfern
Name: Eliza Redfern
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1822
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Sheffield

Civil parish: Sheffield
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: South Sheffield
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 136
Household Members: Name Age
Eliza Redfern 39
Jane Redfern 12
Ann Redfern 7
Albert Redfern 3
Henry Redfern 5 Mo
John Kirk 42


and 1851???

1851 England Census
about Eliza Redfearn
Name: Eliza Redfearn
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1824
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Sheffield
Ecclesiastical parish: Dyers Hill
Town: Sheffield
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: South Sheffield
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 77
Household Members: Name Age
William Redfearn 28
Eliza Redfearn 27
John Redfearn 5
Jane Redfearn 2
Sarah Ann Redfearn 3 Mo





Andy

Is this them?


1871 England Census
about Eliza Kirk
Name: Eliza Kirk
Age: 51
Estimated birth year: abt 1820
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Huntingdon, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Highworth
Town: Highworth
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England
Registration district: Highworth
Sub-registration district: Highworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 110
Household Members:
Name Age
John Kirk 52
Eliza Kirk 51
William Allen 49

Hi she first married Charles Redfern 1-8-1836 in Penistone Yorkshire.then to John Harvey Kirk in 1870 Rotherham

CHARLES REDFEARN Pedigree
Male Family

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Marriages:
Spouse: ELIZA MARSH Family
Marriage:
01 AUG 1836 Penistone, Yorkshire, England

It looks as if Eliza was illegitimate then, as she doesn't have the same name as her father. Without actually seeing the certificate, I don't think we'll be able to help.

According to the 1851 Mr Redfrens name was William

William Redfearn
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1823
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Eliza
Gender: Male
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Sheffield
Ecclesiastical parish: Dyers Hill
Town: Sheffield
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

View image
Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: South Sheffield
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 77
Household Members:
Name Age
William Redfearn 28
Eliza Redfearn 27
John Redfearn 5
Jane Redfearn 2
Sarah Ann Redfearn 3 Mo


I think she would have been a bit to young to marry in 1836

Where was she born?

A marriage with a William & Eliza in the same QTR

Marriages Sep 1843 (>99%)
BROWN William Sheffield 22 427
CHESTER Eliza Sheffield 22 427
HOBSON George Sheffield 22 427
KNOWLES Sarah Sheffield 22 427
PAUL Martha Sheffield 22 427
REDFEARN William Sheffield 22 427
TAYLOR Peter Sheffield 22 427
WOOD Harriot Sheffield 22 427

I think we can rule that one out now, as Janette seems sure about the details she has already.

Hi Eliza was born in sheffield 1822. ive just been told by my son her father was a John Lee were it says Profession he was a shoe heel grinder but they had put the shoe part in the colum next to his surname very missleading.sorry.but do you think that she was born Illegitimate?and was her first husband charles called william and used his middle name?thanks and sorry again.

David

i don't think we can rule it out as you say.....As that matches the 1851...and the Eliza in that with daughter Jane matches the 1861

Another possible 1851

1851 England Census
about George Redfern
Name: George Redfern
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles
Mother's Name: Eliza
Gender: Male
Where born: Penistone, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Penistone
Ecclesiastical parish: Penistone
Town: Penistone
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Wortley
Sub-registration district: Cawthorne
ED, institution, or vessel: 6a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 13
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Redfern 38
Eliza Redfern 33
George Redfern 13
Sarah Ann Redfern 10
Thomas Redfern 7
Jane Redfern 4
Mary Redfern 1week
Joseph Webb 27


Poss 1841. This would mathch with 1836 marriage.

1841 England Census
about Charles Redfearn
Name: Charles Redfearn
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Penistone
Hundred: Staincross
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Wortley
Sub-registration district: Penistone
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Redfearn 25
Eliza Redfearn 20
George Redfearn 3



Andy

Julie,
I meant that we could rule it out the marriage from 1843, as we now know that she married in 1836. He may have used the name William instead of Charles.
I think Andrew has found the correct census.
David

That marriage is for the couple on the 1851

& Janette has said that Eliza was born in Sheffield 1822

So really in all the only thing that is correct at the mo is the 1861 showing John Kirk as a lodger

1881...again she is saying Sheffield

Eliza Kirk
Age: 53
Estimated birth year: abt 1828
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Sheffield
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address: 7 In Court 20 Pond St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: South Sheffield
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Kirk 63
Eliza Kirk 53
Albert Kirk 23
Henry Kirk 20
Samuel Healey 18

This is the 1861...for the family that Andrew found.......So 2 different familys

Mary Redfearn
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Eliza
Gender: Female
Where born: Yorks W R, Penistone
Civil parish: Penistone
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

View image
Registration district: Wortley
Sub-registration district: Penistone
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
Eliza Redfearn 43
Thomas Redfearn 16
Jane Redfearn 14
Mary Redfearn 11
Hannah Redfearn 8
William C Redfearn 6
Benjamin Redfearn 3
Eliza Redfearn 2
________________________

Same family in the 1871

Eliza Redfearn
Age: 53
Estimated birth year: abt 1818
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Penistone, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Penistone
Ecclesiastical parish: Penistone
Town: Penistone
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Wortley
Sub-registration district: Penistone
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 41
Household Members:
Name Age
Eliza Redfearn 53
Thos Redfearn 25
Mary Redfearn 21
Willm Chs Redfearn 16
Benjn Redfearn 13
Eliza Redfearn 12
Henry Richardson 29

The Eliza that Married Charles in 1836 is not the same Eliza that married John Kirk

Hi Julie so did Eliza marry William Redfern and not Charles?and then went on to marry John Kirk thanks

Janette

I don't know for sure but it looks like the Eliza that married John kirk isn't the same Eliza that married Charles Redfern

Does it not say on her M/C to John what her maiden name was

To be honest with you i would get one of the childrens B/C's to see what Eliza's maiden name was & then look for a 1st marriage