| Profile | Posted by | Options | Post Date |
|
LizRees
|
Report
|
11 Apr 2010 12:18 |
|
Hetti Keeler was possibly one of the Home Children who travelled from UK to Canada. I’m trying to help my Canadian Cousin (CC) in Ontario to research his maternal grandmother’s (Hetti’s) family (not even my side of the family, but I have got so engrossed in this. I thought it would be straightforward, but of course it isn’t ...).
I’m wondering whether any GR researchers have some fresh ideas or similar experience that they would share, as to where I can look next, please? Sorry this is a long post, but am trying to include as much info as possible.
CC has no documents for his grandmother, all he has to go by are his (and his late mother's) past recollections. Apart from these memories, this is the one piece of evidence we have about his grandmother:-
Marriage record: Ontario, Canada, Marriages 1801-1926. Name: Henrietta Gladys Keeler, age abt. 24 in 1910. Father: Daniel Keeler; Mother: Matilda Caster (Castle?). Spouse: Frank James Moore, b. abt. 1889 Marriage: 01 Jun 1910 in York, Toronto, Ontario, Canada.
As far as CC knows, his grandmother was known as Hetti for all of her life in Canada – he has a book, in which she wrote ‘Hetti Keeler, 1908’ - she was then living in Ontario. CC knows that Hetti died c. 1953 in Canada.
Apparently born abt. 1886, probably in Kent UK, Hetti always said she came from the Folkestone area. Her parents’ names on marriage record suggest this Keeler family of Barham, Kent, UK:-
Daniel Keeler (b. Barham 1846, d. Bridge 1904) and Matilda Jane Castle (b. Barham abt. 1854). They married Bridge, Kent, 1868 and had at least 9 children between 1870-1887. All girls, except Margaret Amelia, can be accounted for on 1901 census.
But ... there is no Henrietta Gladys, or anybody with variations of this name.
The above family is well-researched & documented, with matching trees on Ancestry & GR. I have contacted all GR members with these matches, and received helpful replies. But nobody has a Henrietta Gladys or any variation in their tree.
CC understands from family stories that both Hetti and her (half?) sister Margaret worked as domestics after arriving in Canada, Hetti possibly for a doctor in Cherry Valley, Prince Edward County (Ont.). He’s currently researching this. He estimates their arrival in Canada (not necessarily together) as 1890-1900.
CC feels that the girls would not have had enough money to travel to Canada by their own means, so his theory, held for a long time, is that they were Home Children.
A possible match for Hetti (apart from her name!) is:- Surname: KEELER Given Name: Elizabeth Age: 6 Sex: F (birth year abt. 1885.) Ship: Circassian Year of Arrival: 1891 Departure Port: Liverpool Departure Date: 26 August 1891 Arrival Port: Quebec Arrival Date: 06 September 1891 Party: Miss Rye's Destination: Niagara-on-the-Lake, Ontario Comments: To Niagara-on-the-Lake via Toronto; Miss Soffe matron. Source: Library and Archives Canada Type of Record: Passenger Lists
I have searched IGI, FreeBMD & Ancestry for variations of Henrietta, Hetti (various spellings) & Gladys. Found no Henrietta Gladys (any surname) born in Bridge 1885-1900; found 5 Henriettas with different surnames in that period.
Have had little success with births for the Elizabeth Keeler recorded above.
Have briefly searched:- Canadian census 1911 (Ontario); Collections Canada Home Children lists; passenger lists: many Keeler females, but few given names or even initials.
I have some details about Margaret, Hetti’s half sister, who seems equally mysterious. But feel this is enough info for one thread.
Many thanks for reading this,
Liz
|
|
AnnCardiff
|
Report
|
11 Apr 2010 12:42 |
|
connection? 1881
Daniel KEELER Head M Male 35 Barham, Kent, England Ag Lab Matilda KEELER Wife M Female 32 Barham, Kent, England Daniel KEELER Son Male 11 Barham, Kent, England Scholar Matilda KEELER Daug Female 9 Barham, Kent, England Scholar Elizabeth KEELER Daug Female 6 Barham, Kent, England Scholar William KEELER Son Male 3 Barham, Kent, England Susannah KEELER Daug Female 1 Barham, Kent, England
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling Gravel Castle Census Place Barham, Kent, England Family History Library Film 1341227 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 0955 / 74 Page Number 20
|
|
AnnCardiff
|
Report
|
11 Apr 2010 12:42 |
|
1881
Daniel KEELER Head M Male 67 Barham, Kent, England Ag Lab Elizabeth KEELER Wife M Female 63 Barham, Kent, England
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling Breach Downs Census Place Barham, Kent, England Family History Library Film 1341227 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 0955 / 73 Page Number 18
|
|
AnnCardiff
|
Report
|
11 Apr 2010 12:43 |
|
1881
Daniel KEELER Male English 19 O Methodist Church C Agnes KEELER Female English 20 O Methodist Church C Sarah KEELER Female English 10 O Methodist Church C Charles TUFF M Male English 60 O Laborer Methodist Church C Sarah A. TUFF M Female English 50 O Methodist Church C
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Census Place Storrington, Frontenac, Ontario Family History Library Film 1375871 NA Film Number C-13235 District 115 Sub-district G Division 3 Page Number 25 Household Number 108+
|
|
AnnCardiff
|
Report
|
11 Apr 2010 12:44 |
|
1881
Joseph KEELER M Male English 37 O Sexton Methodist Church C Elen KEELER M Female Scottish 36 O Methodist Church C Barbary E. KEELER Female English 15 O Methodist Church C Sarah C. KEELER Female English 13 O Methodist Church C William KEELER Male English 11 O Methodist Church C Daniel C. KEELER Male English 7 O Methodist Church C Samule KEELER Male English 5 O Methodist Church C Mary A. KEELER Female English 3 O Methodist Church C Joseph E. KEELER Male English 2 O Methodist Church C Christopher KEELER Male English Methodist Church C
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Census Place Storrington, Frontenac, Ontario Family History Library Film 1375871 NA Film Number C-13235 District 115 Sub-district G Division 3 Page Number 19 Household Number 84+
|
|
AnnCardiff
|
Report
|
11 Apr 2010 12:45 |
|
1881
William KEELER M Male English 33 O Farmer Methodist Church C Suson KEELER M Female German 27 O Methodist Church C Harmon KEELER Male English 9 O Methodist Church C Samule KEELER Male English 6 O Methodist Church C Daniel B. KEELER Male English 3 O Methodist Church C
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Census Place Storrington, Frontenac, Ontario Family History Library Film 1375871 NA Film Number C-13235 District 115 Sub-district G Division 3 Page Number 18 Household Number 80+
|
|
AnnCardiff
|
Report
|
11 Apr 2010 12:45 |
|
1881
Ephraim KEELOR M Male English 65 O Tanner Methodist Canada Ann KEELOR M Female English 60 O Methodist Canada Daniel KEELOR Male English 29 O Clerk Methodist Canada Robert KEELOR Male English 20 O Merchant Methodist Canada Flourance KEELOR Female English 16 O Methodist Canada
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Census Place Edwardsburg, Grenville South, Ontario Family History Library Film 1375866 NA Film Number C-13230 District 106 Sub-district C Division 2 Page Number 65 Household Number 293+
|
|
AnnCardiff
|
Report
|
11 Apr 2010 12:46 |
|
1881
George KEELER Head M Male 38 Alkham, Kent, England Bricklayer Susana KEELER Wife M Female 36 Lydden, Kent, England David KEELER Son U Male 16 Dover, Kent, England Bricklayers Susana KEELER Daur Female 14 Dover, Kent, England Scholar Minne KEELER Daur Female 12 Dover, Kent, England Scholar George KEELER Son Male 11 Dover, Kent, England Scholar Norah KEELER Daur Female 9 Dover, Kent, England Scholar Henirietta KEELER Daur Female 6 Dover, Kent, England Scholar Leve KEELER Son Male 4 Dover, Kent, England Scholar Ernest KEELER Son Male 1 Dover, Kent, England
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling 5 Magdala Rd Census Place Buckland In Dover, Kent, England Family History Library Film 1341239 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 1005 / 73 Page Number 20
|
|
AnnCardiff
|
Report
|
11 Apr 2010 12:49 |
|
1881 Thomas KEELER M Male English 63 England Farmer Church of England Elizabeth KEELER M Female English 66 England Church of England Alice B. GUTHERIE Female Scottish 4 O Church of England John DENNE M Male English 52 England Farmer Church of England Elizabeth DENNE M Female English 49 England Church of England George DENNE Male English 25 O Farmer Church of England Joseph DENNE Male English 23 O Farmer Church of England Kezia DENNE Female English 19 O Church of England Eliza DENNE Female English 17 O Church of England William DENNE Male English 15 O Church of England Thomas DENNE Male English 13 O Church of England Elizabeth DENNE Female English 9 O Church of England
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Census Place Roma, Ontario North, Ontario Family History Library Film 1375881 NA Film Number C-13245 District 133 Sub-district H Page Number 10 Household Number 45
|
|
AnnCardiff
|
Report
|
11 Apr 2010 12:49 |
|
1881
Robert KEELER M Male English 39 O Farmer Bible Christian Elizabeth KEELER M Female English 34 O Bible Christian Susan E. KEELER Female English 12 O Bible Christian John L. KEELER Male English 11 O Bible Christian Robert J. KEELER Male English 8 O Bible Christian William T. KEELER Male English 7 O Bible Christian George H. KEELER Male English 5 O Bible Christian Samuel P. KEELER Male English 3 O Bible Christian Elizabeth A. KEELER Female English 1 O Bible Christian
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Census Place Hope, Durham East, Ontario Family History Library Film 1375877 NA Film Number C-13241 District 127 Sub-district A Division 3 Page Number 16 Household Number 80
|
|
AnnCardiff
|
Report
|
11 Apr 2010 12:51 |
|
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Husband's Name James CASTLE (AFN:1K9P-HLB) Pedigree Born: 1801 Place: Nonington, Kent, England Married: Abt 1837/1838 Place: , , , England Father: Mother:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wife's Name Ann (AFN:1K9P-HMJ) Pedigree Born: 1816 Place: , Hampshire, England Married: Abt 1837/1838 Place: , , , England Father: Mother:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Children
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Sex Name M Frederick CASTLE (AFN:1K9P-HNQ) Pedigree Born: 1839 Place: Barham, Kent, England
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2. Sex Name F Harriet Ann CASTLE (AFN:1K9P-HPX) Pedigree Born: 1842 Place: Barham, Kent, England
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3. Sex Name M Richard J. CASTLE (AFN:1K9P-HQ5) Pedigree Born: 1844 Place: Barham, Kent, England
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4. Sex Name F Martha M. CASTLE (AFN:1K9P-HRC) Pedigree Born: 1846 Place: Barham, Kent, England
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5. Sex Name F Matilda J. CASTLE (AFN:1K9P-HSK) Pedigree Born: 1849 Place: Barham, Kent, England
|
|
LizRees
|
Report
|
11 Apr 2010 13:00 |
|
Hi Anne,
Wow, thank you!
Daniel & Matilda Keeler whom you posted from 1881 census are the ones we believe to be the parents recorded on Hetti's marriage record.
Those Canadian census records are great finds. I have asked CC if there's any likelihood that Hetti and her sister were really born in Canada.
He says they were both dreamers, told fantastic stories, so he is not sure how much they made up and how much was true!
Thank you again,
Liz
|
|
AnnCardiff
|
Report
|
11 Apr 2010 13:10 |
|
my pleasure - I am sure others on here will find even more for you!!
|
|
MargaretM
|
Report
|
11 Apr 2010 13:14 |
|
On the 1911 Canadian census she says she was born 17 Sep. 1887 in Ontario, Canada.
|
|
LizRees
|
Report
|
11 Apr 2010 13:24 |
|
Margaret,
That's very interesting - thank you!
Does it say where she's living, what work she's doing etc. - or how can I view this census myself, please? (Had a look at Can. census before, but missed this one).
Liz
|
|
Irish Gel
|
Report
|
11 Apr 2010 13:26 |
|
Unable to see any birth info for your girl in the whole of Kent for the given timespan give or take 2 years.
|
|
MargaretM
|
Report
|
11 Apr 2010 13:39 |
|
Go to Automatedgenealogy here:
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/index.html
Click on 1911 census. Click on Ontario. Type in Moore. Then type in first name Henrietta. She's the 23 year old one. Click on the page no. To see original click on "split view" at top. I have to magnify up to 100%. That's where it says born Ontario, mind you she could have lied. There was a time when people were ashamed of being a "Home Child". Not any more.
|
|
LizRees
|
Report
|
11 Apr 2010 13:40 |
|
Hi Irish Gal,
Thanks for looking - yes, I have had the same problem! There aren't many Henriettas with different surnames born around that time, let alone any Keelers.
My cousin and I are beginning to think she invented the names Henrietta and Gladys because they sounded more interesting than her birth name (whatever that might have been).
But of course, if she was born in Ontario, which is a strong possibility, that puts a whole different light on everything.
After all, if she had moved to Canada from the UK I imagine she would have had naturalization papers. Must admit this is one search I haven't tried yet.
Liz
|
|
LizRees
|
Report
|
11 Apr 2010 13:45 |
|
Margaret - thanks, that's most helpful.
Will have a look myself. I wasn't aware of that URL.
My cousin thinks that Hetti and her sister did try to cover up their past lives with all kinds of what he calls 'magical' stories.
I am beginning to think Hetti was a real-life Anne of Green Gables (the one in the book, not our heroic GR helper!!). Their lives seem to have a lot of parallels.
Liz
|
|
MargaretM
|
Report
|
11 Apr 2010 13:58 |
|
On the original of the marriage record it says: Groom: Frank James Moore Printer Age 21 Presbyterian 71 Salon? St. Father-Frank John Moore, printer Mother-Not known
Bride: Henrietta Gladys Keeler Age 24 Baptist 21 Spadina Rd. Father-Daniel Keeler, fruit grocer Mother-Matilda Caster or Castle?
Married by license by H.C. Dixon. Witnesses Amy L. Dixon, Minnie McKnight.
|