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just started looking for this person he was born around 1860 in leipzig in germany. he was the son of a lawyer and ran away from home between the ages of 12 and 14 as he didnt want to join the family solicitors. he joined the navy (we think) and ended up in south america where he travelled to the west coast of america during the gold rush years and nearing the end on the 1800's he arrived in darlington in england on a stolen passport of the surname Sandford, where he married a margaret reese born in 1882, he married her in 1900 and had 3 children between 1901 and 1906. he was imprisoned in inturnment between 1914 and 1918. and when he returned to darlington he found his wife had died of starvation aged just 29yrs,

really need his full name here

Is this the marriage?

Marriages Sep 1900 (>99%)
Horn Mary Darlington 10a 50
Keelip John William Darlington 10a 50
xxxx Reese Margaret Ann Darlington 10a 50
xxxx Sandford Frederick Darlington 10a 50

Hi Lynn

If youve only just started looking for him, youve done a cracking job so far

What information is it that you would like?

x

Any idea of the children's names?

Thankyou,
Yes this is the marriage for Reese Margaret Ann in Darlington to Sandford Frederick Darlington.
This wasnt his real name though as he stole the name Sandford when travelling back to england from america. before he stole the surname sandford he was Seibel

Yes, they had 3 children Frances, frederick and George

Deaths Jun 1917 (>99%)
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Sandford Margaret A 37 Darlington 10a 28



His wife was 37 according to this record.

can you let us know what info it is you need?

x

would like to find out how we can trace the family name Siebel back to leipzig in germany

for ref:-

Births Sep 1901 (>99%)
SANDFORD Frances Louise Darlington 10a 36
Births Mar 1904 (>99%)
SANDFORD Frederick William Darlington 10a 19
Births Sep 1906 (>99%)
Sandford George Darlington 10a 27


1911
SANDFORD, Fredrick Head Married M 50 1861 Labourer Germany VIEW
SANDFORD, Margaret Wife Married 10 years F 33 1878 Darlington Durham VIEW
SANDFORD, Frances Daughter F 9 1902 Darlington Durham VIEW
SANDFORD, Frederick Son M 7 1904 Darlington Durham VIEW
SANDFORD, George Son M 4 1907 Darlington Durham VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
29523 Reference:
RG14PN29523 RG78PN1715 RD543 SD2 ED20 SN205

Registration District:
Darlington Sub District:
Darlington EnumerationDistrict:
20 Parish:
Darlington

Address:
26 Fry St Darlington County:
Durham

do you have any records or information of where she was from and any other connected family etc that could be added to the tree and possibly help with info about her husband, and who looked after her children when she died?
This is the correct Margaret Sandford we are looking for.

This is the only birth I could find on IGI:-

FRIEDRICH EDUARD SIEBEL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 04 MAY 1860
Gender: Male Christening: 13 MAY 1860 Evangelisch, Schwelm, Westfalen, Preussen
Father: WILHELM SIEBEL
Mother: CAROLINA LANGWIELER

What name did he give for his father on his marriage cert.

1911 show she was born:- 1878 Darlington Durham

but if he lied, then did she?

Oh thankyou so much this is excellent as it matches what we have been told,
Unfortunately we have only started the search today so dont know what occupation he put for his father on the marriage certificate.
Can you possible tell us what the fathers occupation is on the censius??

No she didnt lie about her details she was just alot younger than he was.
We dont as of yet know why he stole the ID of Sandford when returning to england.

The marriage cert. will give her father's name and occupation. It will also give you the address she was living at at the time of marriage. If you don't have it, then I would buy it quick before the price goes up...........or maybe it already has?

If the IGI turns out to be correct, then this could be a sibling:-

SOPHIE LINA SIEBEL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 22 MAR 1859 Evangelisch, Schwelm, Westfalen, Preussen
Father: WILHELM SIEBEL
Mother: CAROLINE LANGWIELER


Marriage for this couple:-
WILHELM SIEBEL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 08 OCT 1858 Evangelisch, Schwelm, Westfalen, Preussen
Spouse: CAROLINE LANGWIELER

Father: PETER SIEBEL
Mother: GERTRUD VESPER

hi Lynn has asked this question for me actually (she's my aunty)
thankyou very much this has been a great help, i dont know if you could tell us if there is anymore links to these people on the IGI??
and how would we research them futher, also how would we then start searching forwards to possibly find living relatives of the sister?

once again thankyou this is appreciated :-)

Don't know how to research in Germany, but the IGI is free to search on:-
familysearch.org

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true

this link should take you directly to the page.

In Region :- you just put Germany

but don't forget you don't have any proof, as yet, that this is you family.

happy hunting if i get anything i will contact you