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I am trying to find the birth records of my gr-grandfather John Richards born around Newport in Pembrokehire in 1843 my mother tells me that the family came from Trewreiddig farm, and in the 1871 and 1861 censuses the parents names were Thomas and Sarah Richards. I have had his marriage cert for 11th Sept 1866 and this records his fathers name as James Richards?? so which is it? I have looked up the BMD freesearch and there are so many with same name born around the same time in the same area that it is proving expensive to order a cert as I have tried odering 6 certs awith cross-refs and they all come back with the same- 'fathers name not James'. Can someone please help me sort this out as its driving me nuts!.

What was James Richards' occupation shown as on John's marriage cert.

Also, what was John's address shown as?

James occupation was down as Labourer and John was living where he worked at Llwyngwair Manor Newport.

Could John's father have used both names? - "proper" name Thomas and "family" name James? My great great grandmother was sometimes Sarah , sometimes Ellen - it wasn't until I found a WW1 death record for her son where her name was recorded as Sarah Ellen (ie. both names) that I realised Sarah and Ellen were one and the same and had to start all over again!

Gai

Hi Gai - I was thinking along those lineas that may be he was Thomas James Richards or vice versa but how do I go about getting a birth cert if I dont know which as its costing me a fortune.

The John Richards living with Thomas & Sarah in 1871 is unmarried, yet your's married in 1866.

Who did he marry and what was his occupation?

Also, do you have him with his wife on any census?

Hi Christina- I have noticed this also and have not got the answer to that yet its not that I doubt what my mother says but I wonder if this is the right family.
John Married Ellen Thomas at Nevern Church and his occupation was Farm Servant
Yes I have him with his wife in censuses from 1871-1901 living in Ivy Bush cottage Nevern, Pembs, and widower in the 1911 and he died on 23 Nov 1915

I think they are 2 different people.


This is yours, born in Nevern......

1871 Wales Census
about John Richards
Name: John Richards
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1845
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Nevern, Pembrokeshire, Wales
Civil parish: Morfa Quarter Nevern
County/Island: Pembrokeshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Cardigan
Sub-registration district: Newport
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 63
Household Members: Name Age
John Richards 26
Ellen Richards 26
James Richards 7 months.......is James named for his Grandfather???


And this is the one living at Trewreiddig farm with his parents...

1871 Wales Census
about John Richards
Name: John Richards
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Newport, Pembrokeshire, Wales
Civil parish: Newport
Town: Newport
County/Island: Pembrokeshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Cardigan
Sub-registration district: Newport
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 38
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Richards 65
Sarah Richards 68
Elizabeth Richards 35
Mary Richards 30
John Richards 25

I know that the first one is definitely my relation
I have tried to trace him and his father James back to 1861 and 1851 censuses but have not been able to pick up either.

Have you tried these births with father James.....just in case he was incorrectly entered into the index?



Births Sep 1843 (>99%)
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RICHARD John Cardigan 27 46

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Births Jun 1845 (>99%)
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RICHARD John Cardigan 27 52

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Births Mar 1846 (>99%)
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Richard John Cardigan 27 56

Wonder if this is him?

Mary is listed as 'Wife' not 'Head'...married....Labourer's Wife.


1851 Wales Census
about John Richard
Name: John Richard
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Nevern, Pembrokeshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Nevern
County/Island: Pembrokeshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Cardigan
Sub-registration district: Newport
ED, institution, or vessel: 4d
Household schedule number: 100
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Richard 37...Penbryn, Cardiganshire
Jane Richard 13...Meline, Pembrokeshire
John Richard 7
Margaret Richard 6...Nevern
David Richard 3 ...Nevern
Mary Richard 1...Nevern

No I havent tried any of these, I have tried one for June 1843 - 27 30 and March 1843- 27 30 but not the one you have for Sept 1843 - 27 46 , I obviously didnt see this one so I will keep my fingers crossed and order it.
Thanks for your help
Wish me luck
Michael

Yes this could very well be him as it is in the right area and on Johns wedding cert his father James occupation was down as labourer.

Good Luck Michael :)

Dear Michael,
I came across your search by chance and hope you are still interested in seeking information about John Richards. From the exchanges I have read the man you are looking for was my great great grandfather. I have been researching the Richards' family history since the 80's and have managed to unearth quite a bit.
Let me know if you want to exchange information and I look forward to hearing from you.
Regards
Roy (Richards)

Hello Royston,

As it has been several months since Michael posted this thread, he may not be checking for replies anymore. If you click on his name you can send an email directly to him. Regards. Cx.

Dear Cynthia,

Thank you very much for the tip; much appreciated. I have now sent a mail directly to Micheal's address.
Thanks again and best regards
Royston