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Hi Astra,

Yes I have seen this record but I believe (from looking at the previous census) that this Joseph was the son of Jane and James Hayes, which wouldn't match with my Joseph since his fathers name is Joseph.

Thanks
Angela

Flick,

At this point, I cannot assume that the older children were not Joseph's, he is just not recorded as the father. I have located Sarah M and Thomas R and Margaret Ann in previous census living with her father James.
Joseph's status on his marriage cert (as previously mentioned) is bachelor. But as you know this cannot be assumed to be true if he was married previously and not widowed. The witnesses of the marriage were John Wright and Ann Gore Rillond (?)
Angela

1891

Name: Sarah M Hussey
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1887
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Golborne, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Golborne
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Poulton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Leigh
Sub-registration district: Lowton
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Hussey 53
Margaret A Hussey 23
Mary Hussey 18
John Hussey 14
Ann Hussey 12
Sarah M Hussey 4
Thomas R Hussey 7/12

What was Joseph's STATUS when he married Margaret?

Hi Flick,

Yes that is the correct marriage. Margaret is recorded as a spinster. The parents of Sarah Matilda and Thomas Robert are Margaret and an unknown father. At this point I have no clue what becomes of them. Sarah is not listed in the 1911 census but Thomas is, but this part of the tree is a whole other mystery!

Thanks
Angela

So the older children were not Joseph's?

I wish you'd said that at first

IF - and it is only IF - Joseph was illegitimate, the info about his father could have been for the sake of propriety

Who were the witnesses to the marriage?

Hi Flick,

Ok this is where it gets more complicated. I have the birth cert for Denis Hayes (my great grandfather). He was registered as a Hussey (not Hayes). No father is listed on the cert, or of two of his siblings (which I have also bought). However more children were born in the marriage between Joseph and Margaret Ann which is why I am still interested in Joseph. I can't rule out that Joseph wasn't Denis' father even though he wasn't listed on his birth cert, he could have been married to another woman! In the 1901 census the 3 illegitimate children were all listed as Hayes'. Also Denis records Joseph as his father on his marriage cert. I also appreciate that he might not know any different.
Thanks
Angela

So this is the marriage?
Marriages Dec 1896 (>99%)
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Hayes Joseph Wigan 8c 170
Hussey Margaret Ann Wigan 8c 170

Who, then, were the parents of Sarah and Thomas?

Was Margaret a spinster when she married?

Hi PollyPoppet,

Unfortunately I don't believe these records are the Joseph I am looking for since Joseph's father is Joseph Hayes (as stated on his marriage cert).
Thanks
Angela

Hi
Jane Ann Farrington married Joseph Hayes December 1886 Leigh Lancs England

Hi Flick,

Joseph was a coal miner. The marriage cert that I have is that of Joseph himself to Mary Ann Hussey in 1896 at Wign registrar office. On his marriage cert he is recorded as a bachelor, but I know this should not be taken as certain. The father is named as Joseph Hayes and is also a coal miner.

Thanks
Angela

There is this Joseph with mother Jane who has re-married and is now a Topping. There is a possible marriage of a Joseph Hayes to a Jane Latchford.

Joseph Hayes
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation: Step Son
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Golborne, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Whiston
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: Dragon Lane
Occupation: Collier
Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: Prescot
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Topping 35
Jane Topping 40
Joseph Hayes 20
James Hayes 18
Agnes Hayes 16
Walter Hayes 12
Martha Topping 10
Daisy Annie Hayes 6
Ernest Hayes 5


Marriages Mar 1861 (>99%)
Green Lydia Leigh 8c 182
Hayes Joseph Leigh 8c 182
Heyes Joseph Leigh 8c 182
Latchford Jane Leigh 8c 182

John Topping to Jane Hayes
Marriages Sep 1877 (>99%)
Hayes Jane Wigan 8c 31
THOMAS Robert Wigan 8c 31
TOPPING John Wigan 8c 31
WHITEHEAD Sarah Wigan 8c 31

possible
1861 census

Name Joseph Heyes
Age 0
Estimated Year of Birth 1861
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Juvenile
Address Stirrupfield Brow
District Leigh, Lowton
Parish
Administrative County Lancashire
Birth Place Golborne
Birth County Lancashire
in house
james head 25 coal miner
jane wife 21
joseph 1 month
RG 9 / 2799


1871 census

Name Joseph Heyes
Age 10
Estimated Year of Birth 1861
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Scholar
Address Edge Green
District Leigh, Lowton
Parish
Administrative County Lancashire
Birth Place Golborne
Birth County Lancashire
in house
james head 32
jane wife 31
joseph 10
RG 10 / 3910

What was the occupation of the Joseph who is your ancestor?
Have you considered buying the birth cert of the child who is your direct line?

Hi PollyPoppet,

Yes this is the correct family. I have also found them in the 1911 census (spelt Hayes). It's just going backwards from 1901 that is proving troublesome :-)

Thanks
Angela

Hi for ref is this him in 1901
1901 census

Address 28 York St
Civil Parish Ince In Mak
Rural District
Town or Village or Hamlet Township Ince In Mak
Ecclesiastical Parish Ince In Mak Christ Church
Parliamentary Borough or Division Ince Division South West Lancs
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Urban District Ince In Mak
Administrative County Lancashire
Householder 1
Name Dennis Heyes
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 7
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Lancs Golborne
Language
Infirmity
Householder 2
Name Ellen Heyes
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 4
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Lancs Hindley Green
Language
Infirmity
Householder 3
Name Johanna Heyes
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 1
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Lancs Ince
Language
Infirmity
Householder 4
Name Joseph Heyes
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 40
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Coal Hewer
Employment Status
Where Born Lancs Golborne
Language
Infirmity
Householder 5
Name Margaret A Heyes
Relation to Head of Family Wife
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 34
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Yorkshire Silkstone
Language
Infirmity
Householder 6
Name Sarah M Heyes
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 14
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Cotton Card Room Jobber
Employment Status
Where Born Lancs Golborne
Language
Infirmity
Householder 7
Name Thomas R Heyes
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 11
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Lancs Golborne
Language
Infirmity

Hi Ginny,
After a little more searching I can I don't thinkt the census record above that you posted above is the same Jane and Joseph that I have been initially discussing. I did a search on Joseph Hayes' marrying a Jane over a 10 year period. Two results came back, one of which was that to Jane Farrington, the other registered in Blackburn which would tie in with the census record above.
Angela

Hi Ginny,
Thank you for your response. In the 1901 census, I know I have the right Joseph as his son Denis (my great grandfather) is living with them (spelt Heyes) and I have traced this through to 1911. My problem is trying to locate my Joseph prior to 1901, and I was wondering if he was the one married to Jane Farrington.
A Joseph Hayes definitely married a Jane Farrington in 1886 but whether it is the same Joseph Hayes that is married to the Jane in the record you posted I am unsure.
Angela

Just re-read your post and are you saying that you are not sure if Joseph married Jane Farrington?

If there are 2 Josephs with similar birth details how do you know you have the correct one?

Ginny
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Have you seen this one

1901 England Census
about Joseph Hayes <<<<Grocer
Name: Joseph Hayes
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Darwen, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Darwen
Ecclesiastical parish: Over Darwen St John
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Blackburn
Sub-registration district: Darwen
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 25
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Hayes 40
Jane Hayes 37
Frances Hayes 11
Elizabeth Hayes 5
Sarah A Jackson 30


I see on the earlier censuses he's a coal miner hmmm

What was Joseph's fathers occupation?